Post by: Space Between on September 27, 2001, 12:48:43 AM
Post by: Big_Z on September 27, 2001, 02:22:22 AM
PS. swap file must be disabled.
A modified win98 boot floppy would be required to make the cd bootable and start 98 off the cd without prompting....An interesting challenge. I believe it can be done ny removing msdos.sys from the floppy.
Post by: Space Between on September 27, 2001, 01:17:32 PM
Post by: SexyZane on October 07, 2001, 08:38:26 AM
Anyway if someone has got add. info, let me know!
Post by: sam on October 07, 2001, 01:25:00 PM
There appears to be lots of other intresting info here as well,
but I haven\'t had time to browse it much. Let me know how it goes.
later,
sam
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/11/206/ (http://\"http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/11/206/\")
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2001, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: sam on October 07, 2001, 04:37:27 PM
It is a function of the bios. My 1997 p166 (ASUS) supports it, but a 1995 p100 (Micron) box does not. If yours doesnt, you may be able to dl the bios upgrade if you bios is flashable.All boxes made since 96 or 97 \'should\' be able to boot grom CD or have a bios upgrade available. Look for the feature in your setup at boot time (del key for award/ami and F2[i think] for Phoenix). Good luck
sam
Post by: Space Between on October 07, 2001, 11:02:35 PM
Post by: sam on October 08, 2001, 11:26:05 AM
......a sort of \'disclaimer\' for there method I suppose....
sam
Post by: sam on October 08, 2001, 02:39:56 PM
Your original post was a two part query.
......as to burning a cd while running 9.x from a cd, hmmm......
Presuming that the method in the article works, and that you have a dual cd® system, and if the object of this proceedure is to not disturb an ill-fated partition and/or os, the question is how big of a ram drive can you create for the burning sw buffer? Being able to burn @16x with less than 300-400meg buffer probably isn\'t realistic. Another thing to consider is the processing time bottleneck due to the read speed of the booted cd, another potential source of buffer underun. All in all, it still seems feasable.
As an alternative, the object again being mass data recovery (from 32bit/gui mode)using a cdr(w), do you have at your disposal a hd =>500meg or so? My Asus and DFI mbs both allow me to boot to the Secondary Master
IF
the bios for the Primary Master is set to none. Set up in this fashion for normal use allows an auxillary hd (w/9.x and burn sw of course) to be plugged in to the systems Primary Master I/O, configured in bios, and booted to just like it was there all along. The first partition on the hd needing recovery is set as d: and you are set to recover to your hearts desire. Not as diverse as a cd, but I think the lack of ram for the buffer narrows the field of boxes it could be use on anyway.
Depending on how big your current hd is, a separate primary partition w/9.x etc could be set up and hidden from your everyday os via a partition table mgmt program (I like Ranish PM) however, if the failure is due to a virus, it is possible to loose your MBR data to the viri as well as the data needing recovery. Good Luck.
Reguards,
sam
Post by: Space Between on October 08, 2001, 08:47:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2001, 03:36:02 PM
Something strange has happened to me before. I had a hd on one of the ide port set to none in bios, booted to the drive that I wanted to, and when I opened Explorer the drive I \'thought\' was unconfigured showed up as the last drive letter (before device drivers) in the list. 9.x had apparently located and id\'d the geometry and connected it. It was in \'compatability mode\' but visible and usable nonetheless. Dropped to dos and it was gone, but any app that ran under the control of the gui was able to access it.
What letter will the cd run os give the existing hd? d: I would imagine. a: and c: are spoken for. If I didnt have so many other irons in the fire, I might sit down and check it out. It will require several hours of uninterupted time which is an unforseeable luxury with 2 teens a 3yr and a 4yr old loose in the house. Not to mention \'The List\'. It would have to move up to inside the first hundred or so things to do to get recognized. When the XYL asks when I\'m going to do this or that, I tell her it\'s on the list. I think she\'s finally catching on after all these years.....
I would be curious to know how it all goes if you decide to tackle it........
reguards,
sam
Post by: A4R4|{0sS on October 09, 2001, 08:09:27 PM
And for the system file ... win98 support FAT16 and FAT32 but it should not run on CDFS (file system for cd rom) well ...
So besides the install disk, i think you cant make a \"bootable OS\" with win98 on a CD-R.
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2001, 10:23:04 PM
as for CDFS; win98 access it when it is running; and should; throughout the use of MSCDEX be able to load from it
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2001, 12:14:43 PM
1) Partition a HD to less that 630 MB.
2) Install Win98.
3) Disable the swap file and set the compatibility options to run the disk drives in compatibility mode.
4) Boot from a DIFFERENT hard drive with Easy CD Creator on it.
5) Using Easy CD Creator, make a \"bootable CD\" and use the hard drive emulation option.
6) Pick the HD that you made is steps 1-3.
7) Burn your CD (preferably a CD-RW because you\'re going to need to tweak it some.)
8) Boot off your CD.
Have fun!
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2001, 06:18:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2001, 11:50:03 AM
Remove the reg files from the windows dir, copy them to the ramdisk folder.
Altered Msdos.sys to point to the ramdrive for the registry;
but when i boot; windows keeps recreating the registry
went so far as to deltree the sysback folder;
but it keeps loading and making new reg files in the windows dir on every boot
Post by: sam on October 12, 2001, 06:37:47 AM
excerpt \"..., the registry should be renamed. Its name is noted in c:io.sys. ...\"
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2001, 11:51:50 AM
the \'new\' reg files that it is making are just very basic, no drivers, nothing at all like that - seems to just be restoring a \'first install\' set of reg files
and it is putting them *in* the windows folder w/ win.com and all- which cant happen once i write it out to a CD-R
anyway; im going to be going into dos mode in a few minutes to play w/ the io.sys file
wish me luck
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Post by: sam on October 12, 2001, 09:36:24 PM
did you........\"In addition, scanregw.exe must be prevented form being loaded, for example by deactivating it with msconfig.exe in its autostart folder.\".....
That is what is likely responsible for re-creating you basic reg files.........
Damn.......guess it\'s time to get off my dead a** and quit trying to armchair QB my suggestions and get my hands dirty.........and I just put the case back on this thing last week.........looks like rain for the next few days anyway.......
.......now what did I do with that ol\' 1.2g throwdown drive......
........I\'ll be baack......(dont ya just luv arnold?).......
sam
ps
you do realize the W2K/XP users are going WHY????????????
Post by: Lithiem on October 14, 2001, 10:55:32 AM
the only dif. is; it doesnt seem to be making a system.dat file anymore - but it still makes it\'s own win.ini & system.ini files.. and runs as if it were freshly booted from setup - Standard PCI video card in 640x480x16 color mode, no NIC, etc...
As for why, I hate Dual boot but want XP on here.. yet still need 98 for certain things- like DJGPP and some games that i love
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2003, 04:08:04 PM
I created a win98 OS with office97 and other apps using these programs, all fits on a 700mb CD.
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2003, 08:39:16 AM
~Progster
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 05:44:04 AM
Post by: A74Martel on March 04, 2003, 08:14:08 PM
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/11/206/ (http://\"http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/11/206/\")
It is a german site translated to english so the grammar is not perfect, but well worth it to any tech that wants a bootable 32 bit windows9598 cd.
Good luck the going is ruff but the final product is amazing!!
Post by: Space Between on March 05, 2003, 07:29:53 PM
running win98 off a cd would only allow you to use fat32/16...so this is no where near as versatile as the linux distro\'s. The linux distro\'s can do fat32/16 and a world more of file systems...plus it\'s quicker.
i thought it would be cool at first myself to run 98 off a cd...but really i cant think of 1 single reason why to run 98 off a cd instead of a linux distro...really running 98 off a cd is far far more inferior to running linux off a cd.
pick one of the linux distro\'s mentioned in this thread and work with those...you will be much happier with your result\'s...why waste time with inferiority?
Post by: Technohead on March 07, 2003, 05:46:39 PM
http://www.romulus2.com/forum/showthread.p...&threadid=10415 (http://\"http://www.romulus2.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10415\")
(Cut and paste it into your browser)
He is quite specific, and verily it does indeed work
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Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2003, 04:11:12 PM
Post by: Slinkie Slinkums on May 03, 2003, 10:09:03 PM
I happened to see your question. It ***CAN*** be done.
I did it! The web page you seek is:
http://www.heise.de/ct/engligh/99/11/206/ (http://\"http://www.heise.de/ct/engligh/99/11/206/\")
[email protected]
Post by: Jazkal2 on May 04, 2003, 09:52:12 AM
Bart has a new tool that will allow you to create your WinPE cd, all that is required is that you have WinXP installed on a computer, and have the WinXP install CD.
Bart's PE Builder (http://\"http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/\")
Check it out,
- Jazkal
Post by: krazykulguy on May 07, 2003, 08:34:27 PM
all that needs to be added to that is a vm and a vm harddisk with win9x or any OS pre loaded on it.
this can be done because a vm program like vmware has the option of loading the vm disk in readonly so it will work off of CD-rom.
the hardest part would be to make a cd-bootable dist of linux with the vm software added in all ready configured and pointing to the vmdisk.
the only other way is to load a img of pre-loaded win9x disk into a RAM drive and keep that RAM hidden from the OS.
Post by: Professor Stein on May 07, 2003, 09:54:21 PM
Use a win98 boot floppy; edit autoexec.bat/config.sys with the strings needed.
Install win98 to your Ramdrive, install the software you need copy it over to a temp HD. With xcopy/s/e from dos prompt, or just get it over there.
Make a bootable cdrom that copys the temp stored OS over to the Ramdrive and run it.
I always have a Bootable cdrom, with win98 and a cdrw in my pocket when I visit my friends. Then I don’t need to disturb their OS if I want to surf on ADSL or test the network.
NB! I still have problems with installing XP in to the Ramdrive. But I like the old 98 bugger, so maybe I give it a try another time.
Greetings from
Professor Stein.