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Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2002, 10:57:40 AM
I need up change out my hard drive for a larger one.  Since I have already installed and activated XP on the current drive, how will I be able to install XP on my new drive since XP has the one user security feature built into the installation?

Thanks for your comments
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on April 13, 2002, 06:49:49 PM
You can ,but you will have to activate again by phone and explain ms what you have done ,because the activation checks the volume serial number (vsn) of your harddisk , and if theis number changes (new hardisk , format ,ntfs conversion ) you have to reactivate by phone .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: forum_editor on April 15, 2002, 06:02:05 AM
the best thing you can do is contact m$ and let them know your situation..before you come to that bridge....and if they agree you can activate it again, do a clean install on that hardrive..thats what i would do
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2002, 06:19:01 PM
Excuse my rant... but...If it were me, rather than ask Microsofts PERMISSION to use the software you paid for, since  it is a legit copy, I would find  a crack for it. This activation crap is the reason why  I doubt  I will ever buy another MS operating system again or any other software requiring \"activation\". If I do, I will buy a copy legitimately and get a crack for it just out of spite. If it were not for the activation I would have already bought WinXP rather than having recently bought Win2000, and yes, I only have it installed on one computer. I was never anti Microsoft before they forced activation on honest users.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: TheReasonIFailed on May 02, 2002, 11:47:12 AM
I don\'t think it will ask you to activate.  I\'ve ghosted xp images to different hard drives on my computer and haven\'t had to activate.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on May 03, 2002, 01:41:39 AM
That\'s because the volume id of the haddisk stays the same as the previous harddisk .It must me included in the ghost image .If it\'s on the same computer , there\'s no harware changes neither ,if it\'s on the same computer . I allways keep an updated ghost image of all the harddisks with an operating system , and never got a problem .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on June 22, 2002, 04:16:15 PM
Everytime I have fotmatted my drive, I have had to re-activate winxp and I did not change a thing.....WHY ?...when you pay a fortune for an original copy..I am trying to find a crack now....I am thinking of putting win98 back on if I cant find one, cos its been nothing but trouble since I bought it....should have took the advice of my IT dept..
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: RNR on June 27, 2002, 04:33:37 PM
RDC.......The serial of a HDD is not kept on the disk ....it is kept on ROM.....(a small ROM on the electronic board of the HDD) So there are no way that Norton Ghost copy it on an other HDD.....!!!

If the activation was not needed it is because it is only requiere when u install XP.....once it as been install and activated....if u ghost it and restore on a different HDD u won\'t need to re-activating it......!!! (as it is not an installation......;D
It also depend on the version of XP.....some don\'t need any activation ........./wink.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\';)\' />
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2002, 08:41:59 AM
Beg to differ but Norton Ghost does copy the volume serial number from the original ghost image to all pc\'s that it is installed on.  I know because our companys software uses the volume serial number and I have to change the number on all the reinstalled ghost images because they all have the same volume serial number of the original machine.  There are many third party software programs that can change the Volume ID. This goes for all MS op systems.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on July 30, 2002, 02:37:06 AM
That\'s what I assume too .
The volume serial number only changes when you format the disk or change it from fat 32 to ntfs ,
If you put a ghost image to another disk than the one the image is from ,the other disk will take the same VSN as the original one .The vsn is the date time the disk is formatted , so it hasn\'t any real importance even to change it on a personal pc , but when you change it you will have to reactivate you xp , and have to explain why it changed  for reactivation .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2002, 02:49:27 PM
What software can I use the change the volume serial number?
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2002, 11:47:13 AM
Symantic ghost and Clode your original Drive to the new one
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2002, 10:32:37 PM
I tried to change out the hd on my XP system using Norton Ghost but to no avail. I installed a second hd; ghosted the partition on the first drive to the second drive. Removed the first drive and made the new drive the primary. The system starts and then hangs on the logon screen just before it gives you the list of users. I can access the drive from another computer on the network running Windows 98 so I know it\'s booted up. But I cannot get logged on to this system. If I leave BOTH hd in the system, even though the original boot drive is now a slave drive, the sytem will boot. Take the original boot drive out, and I can\'t log on.

Any suggestions?

I, too, question the wisdom of upgrading to XP!
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Glock22 on August 12, 2002, 03:48:13 PM
I know some will swear by Norton Ghost, but frankly I prefer Powerquest Drive Image. Latest version is 2002 and works with XP. Make an image of your original HD and store it on a different partition. Or use the drive to drive copy feature and swap drives after you image , reboot. very simple and works every time for me.

Drive Image has saved my butt a few times and is a great tool to have.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: quietkey on August 15, 2002, 04:31:11 PM
I\'ve used both PowerQuest and Ghost...both are very useful tools (after installing as many OSes as I have to do at work, I was very eager to start imaging drives), but in my experience, I prefer Ghost because it runs a lot faster, as well as offering the option to burn an image to cd/s or to load directly to and from the network.  Now, I haven\'t used the PQ 2k2, so it might work faster now, but as far as I know, it\'s a straight up disk image/copy alone.

As far as the volume key using ghost, it does take on the setting from the original image.  I was even at one time able to activate 24 instances of Office 2k on the website using a single verification key.  Yes, we do have legal licenses, but this was before we got our volume product keys.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on August 21, 2002, 04:51:39 AM
I changed to a bigger harddisk yesterday and I put a ghost image from the former harddisk  and yes I got to activate again by phone (same vsn , same wpa file ???) Got something to do with the registration number . Now I got my  reactivation and still the same registration number .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2002, 04:01:17 PM
O.k. There are 2 Serial numbers on a hard drive.

1 A Volume Serial number.  (Can be changed, Use a program called WinHex are check out sector 0 )

2 A Hard drive serial number stored on EEPROM (Can\'t be changed)

Pliers..
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on August 22, 2002, 05:25:02 PM
So you think the harddrive serial number is taken into account  too for the activation key . I didn\'t know about this one , Thanks for letting me know .
I know they take the vsn into account too .
Not that it is a real problem to reactivate now that I \'ve done it , but there should be a more simple way to reactivate .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2002, 10:02:56 AM
Well the best thing to do would either be find a crack OR find a copy that doesn\'t require activation.  For example, I work for a University and because of our Microsoft agreement, we have unlimited access (almost unlimited) to many Microsoft products and they don\'t have to be activated.  Hence the reason alot of us are moving to XP.  Shoot me an email if you have any other questions.
[email protected]
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on September 01, 2002, 09:29:13 PM
> 1 A Volume Serial number. ...

This is a number assigned by the OS to uniquely indentify \"volumes\" (generally formatted partitions).

> (Can be changed, Use a program called WinHex are check out sector 0 )

It\'s much easier to use volid.exe from www.sysinternals.com.  And it\'s free (unlike WinHex) and works well.

> 2 A Hard drive serial number stored on EEPROM (Can\'t be changed)

Not all drives have a serial number.  I know some SCSI drives do not support the SCSI command or return the same number for all drives (SCSI Unit Serial Number?).  Also I believe the serial number of some IDE drives can be changed through software.

Anyway my question is:

Does Ghost or any other disk cloning software support creating a new volume serial number on restore?  It seems like this option should be provided (or even the default) as nasty things can happen if you have 2 drives with the same serial number.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on September 02, 2002, 02:34:48 AM
Norton Ghost Image has the VSN from the drive it\'s taken from .
As you said can eventually be changed with Volumeid.exe .
You don\'t even need to partition or format the new drive before putting the image on it  ,that\'s what I appreciate from Norton Ghost
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2002, 01:59:44 AM
Hi there,

  If u get any information on what software to use to change volume serial number, please pass it on to me. I also need to change the serial no of my hard disk.

u can mail me the information on [email protected]

regards.
-Sourabh
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on November 23, 2002, 05:39:24 AM
Hi there,

I tried to ghost xp onto another m/c, but after ghosting and restart the new m/c. It appears a screen to choose start safe mode, ..... or start windows normally. If i choose the last choice, the m/c just stops and hang. If i choose safe mode, will also hang after loading some files. Anyone knows the reason and solution ?

Thanks NewComer
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: rdc on November 24, 2002, 09:47:25 AM
If you write a ghost image to another computer there is allways a problem with the  hardware differences on the other computer .A ghost image is meant to replace a  problematic operating system  on the computer it\'s taken from .
This way  you  don\'t loose time to go looking for hours for a solution to your problem .
If you want to put your operating system on another computer ,better make a bootable cdrom with the latest service pack included .
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2002, 11:19:27 AM
I\'ve cloned 15 same computers wit Win XP by ghost without any problems. But before I tried to do that with dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb and it doesn\'t worked, why? Now I have to change the OS from NT 4.0 to Win XP in other 30 PCs with diferent HW configuration. I can do that with Win2000 and of course NT 4.0 again without any problems, but XP I can\'t. Is here anybody who are solving or solved the same problem?
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: IRL337 on December 05, 2002, 01:48:01 PM
Hey man id suggest goin to symantec\'s site and checkin for any sorta .pdf manual for Ghost...
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Buschy on July 28, 2003, 10:23:33 PM
Everything with Windows Xp has to do with Hardware configuration. If you Try and Ghost and image of Xp onto a different machine, it will not work properly because the hardware config is different. There is a way to do it! the Program is on your Xp cdrom in the tools folder. In one of the compressed files is a program called sysprep.exe . This is the program that will let you unbind your current hardware configuration. Allowing you to Chost your Xp operationg system onto another machine, without the hardware conflict. What you do after running this program I do not know! Sorry!
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: WeNeedHelp888 on July 29, 2003, 10:50:07 PM
I've accidentally ghost (with Norton Ghost) an existing harddisk and the data in D: drive has been overriden with this blank one.

Anyone knows how to reverse the effect? i need to get back my data!!

I've tried some data recovery software but failed.

Anyone knows any data recovery support help line no. that i can called? I am located in the South East Asia region.

Thanks.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest on September 12, 2003, 04:43:46 PM
I have just ordered a MS Office XP Developer.  While waiting for the package to arrive, I find out insidently that there is something called "activation". This seems to be quite a mess. Running Windows 2000 professionel, I see now that I,m lucky. However the Office XP developer also have this "activation" problem.

Doing some desk reaseach on the net, my conclusion so far is that I,m not going to do any ghost copying, neither any activating having problems every time I make changes to my PC HW - but rather use a crack to solve my problem. Sorry to say that Bill - but when I have purchased an Office XP developer package, and add all the money I have but in the past in different MS SW, why shall I accept this chicanery ?

The "think tank" at MS is not very bright, turning satisfied paying MS users into unsatisfied and angry hazards. /mad.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':angry:\' />

And - this policy will only result in that users will stick to the Windows 2000 for as many years as possible -> that they dont run the latest time saving features -> halting the technology back - and - less profit for MS since users simply dont by new versions of Windows.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest on September 19, 2003, 03:28:45 PM
[quote name=\'Buschy\' date=\'Jul 28 2003, 09:23 PM\']Everything with Windows Xp has to do with Hardware configuration. If you Try and Ghost and image of Xp onto a different machine, it will not work properly because the hardware config is different. There is a way to do it! the Program is on your Xp cdrom in the tools folder. In one of the compressed files is a program called sysprep.exe . This is the program that will let you unbind your current hardware configuration. Allowing you to Chost your Xp operationg system onto another machine, without the hardware conflict. What you do after running this program I do not know! Sorry![/quote]
 Just purchased an Office XP package. Which also have the need of activation.

If you find a corporate serial key number on the web, this key will automaticaly deactivate the activation process. If you use this corporate serial key Offfice XP will never ask you for activation. I suppose this is the same for Windows XP.

Reading through the license text, there is nothing as far as I can see that tells that you can not use a nother key than the one written on your package. So if you have purchased an XP package then you can legaly use a nother key to "activate" your XP software ????

Anyone have comments to this issue ?
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2003, 04:29:40 PM
Bottom line with the activation is that any XP level product or greater will have activation.  Corperate level and above users do not have activation on the software, because the licensing of these users is handled through a bulk license agreement and not tied to a single copy.  This goes for Office XP and above too.  So even if you have a "Corporate" license key it won't do you a bit of good if you don't have the "Corporate" version of the software.  The only way to get this is through microsoft's worldwide fulfilment by giving them a valid bulk license agreement number.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Paul F on November 14, 2003, 04:46:33 PM
[quote name=\'Anonymous\' date=\'Aug 11 2002, 09:32 PM\']I tried to change out the hd on my XP system using Norton Ghost but to no avail. I installed a second hd; ghosted the partition on the first drive to the second drive. Removed the first drive and made the new drive the primary. The system starts and then hangs on the logon screen just before it gives you the list of users. I can access the drive from another computer on the network running Windows 98 so I know it's booted up. But I cannot get logged on to this system. If I leave BOTH hd in the system, even though the original boot drive is now a slave drive, the sytem will boot. Take the original boot drive out, and I can't log on.[/quote]
I have an XP system and installed a second hard disk to use for backup. My main disk (Disk 1) has 2 partitions -- C: has my programs and XP, D: holds my data.
I used Norton Ghost 2003 to clone Disk 1 to Disk 2. This gave me an F: and G: partition on Disk 2.

I was able to unplug Disk 1 and make Disk 2 the master and boot up XP.

My backup plan was to clone the data partition (D: to G:) every night before I shut down, and clone the program partition (C: to F:) every 7th night I shutdown.

After cloning the data partition, I found I could still unplug Disk 1, make Disk 2 master, and boot XP. On the 7th night after cloning the program partition, the unplug Disk 1 and make Disk 2 master test failed to boot XP. It came up to the point as previously reported -- the Windows screen is there but it does not present the possibility of logging on. I repeated the above testing and results were the same -- if I cloned only the program partition, I could not use it to lboot up.

I have decided to change my backup procedure so that on the 7th night, I clone Disk 1 to Disk 2 rather than cloning just the program partition.

Paul F
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: taj on May 06, 2004, 12:37:41 PM
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"Do a full backup of you XP machine. save the file on the hard drive or a dvdr/w. Do an install of xp on the new hd. Now use the backup file to restore your xp machine" This is the on thing microsoft will tell you!
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Ratti3 on January 26, 2005, 03:44:10 PM
[quote name=\'Anonymous\' date=\'Jul 29 2002, 07:41 AM\']Beg to differ but Norton Ghost does copy the volume serial number from the original ghost image to all pc's that it is installed on.  I know because our companys software uses the volume serial number and I have to change the number on all the reinstalled ghost images because they all have the same volume serial number of the original machine.  There are many third party software programs that can change the Volume ID. This goes for all MS op systems.[/quote]
 try running ghost with the -FDSP switch to resolve the logon screen hanging problem.
Its caused by drive letters being reasigned by ghost FDSP copies it (make sure you disconnect the old drive after cloning)

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost...iver=symghost_8 (http://\"http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/d87bb6ce0bde286d88256d6a00452701/3addab558a6f849e88256db300586af8?OpenDocument&prod=Symantec%20Ghost&ver=8.x&src=ent&pcode=symghost&dtype=corp&svy=&prev=&miniver=symghost_8\")

http://www.jokegateway.co.uk (http://\"http://www.jokegateway.co.uk\")
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: MuOhioStudent on February 01, 2005, 02:40:35 AM
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I tried to change out the hd on my XP system using Norton Ghost but to no avail. I installed a second hd; ghosted the partition on the first drive to the second drive. Removed the first drive and made the new drive the primary. The system starts and then hangs on the logon screen just before it gives you the list of users. I can access the drive from another computer on the network running Windows 98 so I know it's booted up. But I cannot get logged on to this system. If I leave BOTH hd in the system, even though the original boot drive is now a slave drive, the sytem will boot. Take the original boot drive out, and I can't log on.
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This same thing happend to except i was a moron... I formated my original.  It wouldn't let me format through windows because it said the drive was in use so i did it through partition magic.  Now when i start my cpu it automatically attempts to run windows and hangs right before the log in screen.  I don't even get the screen that lets me choice whether or not i want to boot into Linux or one of my two windows operating systems.  I don't know what to do.  I tried throwing in an Xp pro disk and repairing it with that as others have done successfully.  When I put the cd in and hit install it saw that i had my xp home edition but it didn't give me a choice to repair it as it usually does.  It is possible that its because I have Xp home and not Xp pro.  I will test my Xp home disk as soon as i can find it.   If that doesn't work though, i have no idea what i am going to do.  When i get to the safe mode screen there is a choice that i can restore my computer to recent settings that previously worked.  But i don't know what will happen if i do that.  I am hoping I will be able to just do a simple repair and have it all fixed.  Does anyone have any other solutions to this or know whether or not the xp home addition cd repair will work or not?
Any help would be EXTREMELY Appreciated
Thanx in Advance.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: DaPaul on February 03, 2005, 08:29:35 PM
For many users Ghost gives problem. Here is what I did.

Primary Master: C and D (WinXP with service pack 2)
Primary Slave  : E and F

I used XXClone(30 day free trial). It is a windows based program.  I simply chose C as source and E as Target. After 10 minutes the cloning is over and is bootable without doing any additional steps. After cloning whether I remove my first HDD or second HDD and keep them both, I can't even notice the difference!!! That is called cloning. No activation - no hanging. Use it to believe it (even I thought the best way is DOS based program). The XXClone (http://\"http://www.xxclone.com\")

I hope this info helps.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest on February 17, 2005, 06:22:27 AM
" > 2 A Hard drive serial number stored on EEPROM (Can't be changed)

Not all drives have a serial number. I know some SCSI drives do not support the SCSI command or return the same number for all drives (SCSI Unit Serial Number?). Also I believe the serial number of some IDE drives can be changed through software. "

I need for a Test a Type of SCSI drive with "SCSI Unit Serial Number". Can a user help me ?

Thanks.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest_Rick_* on May 04, 2005, 11:16:57 PM
Hi,

I encountered the problem using Ghost to copy a patition to another disk (partition).

The solution is to create a ghost image file somewhere (to a CD/DVD or through the LAN using Bart-PE for exemple, then, replace the disk and restore that image to the new one.

Then, the first time you will reboot, Windows will detect the hard drive and ask you to restart the computer.

I've been doing this for a while and never had any problems nor had to register XP again.

Voilà
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: DP on May 11, 2005, 05:11:02 AM
Hi ,

It was really interesting to see some of the ponts.

A contribution from my side.
Visit the following urls , they may be good reading.
Volume licensing keys, solved my problem.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost...001052308534125 (http://\"http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2001052308534125\")

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluat...activation.mspx (http://\"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluation/features/activation.mspx\")

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;299840 (http://\"http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299840\")

Cheers,
DP
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: XP student on May 28, 2005, 01:55:34 AM
Dear All
How to ghost XP for different computer ?

I didn't successful use "sysprep" and "ghost" to clone the XP harddisk for 2 different configuration computer. Please advise.

XP student
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guest on June 01, 2005, 02:53:07 AM
This is a website where you get free money for just searching the net. They have forums with PROOF that it works. There are pictures of the transactions and EVERYTHING! It really does work!

http://netbux.org/?r=264355 (http://\"http://netbux.org/?r=264355\")
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: intraaction on June 18, 2005, 12:55:27 AM
just format one and add to another drive




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Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: TheMan on June 23, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
If you want to make a system see a hard drive as the "C" drive since it was ghosted and it wil not since it was a different drive when the original C drive was in your PC use:

fdisk /mbr with a Windows 98 or later boot disk

It will let the hard drive know it is not the other non C drive letter and will put the primary drive letter with an active boot partition back to C:

The reason you probably had this problem in the first place is because you put the new hard drive with the old one (to transfer data), ghosted it, and when you put the new one by itself, Windows still saw it as the other non C drive.  The above solution will fix the problem.

The reason you have to run it is because old C drive and Windows saw the new hard drive.

-TheMan
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: skep·tic also scep·tic on June 23, 2005, 03:11:35 PM
n.
   1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.


[quote name=\'TheMan\' date=\'Jun 23 2005, 11:19 AM\']The reason you have to run it is because old C drive and Windows saw the new hard drive.[/quote]
You mean that the computer sees? what it uses? a built in lens?
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guru on July 05, 2005, 10:09:56 PM
I hit the same problem in my house. I had installed Win XP pro in my old hdd. Later on bought a new hdd, added it as a slave, then assigned the letters.

Used the disk imaging software which copied the boot partition to the new hdd.

I unplugged the old hdd and tried to start, windows seem to boot, but the logon screen does not appear.

After going thru all the posts and some microsoft support contents, i realised that is because of the drive letter assignments. The volume guid of the new hdd was already in the existing installation. So when i started xp in the new hdd, it must have assumed it to be the D drive instead of C because of the presence of the volume guid.

The solution is given here.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249321/ (http://\"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249321/\")

I havent tried it yet, but will try it out today evening. I will boot using win98, use fdisk/mbr. Hope it works.
Title: Reinstall XP on new HD
Post by: Guru on July 05, 2005, 10:12:14 PM
Forgot one more thing.. before you use fdisk /mbr make sure u guys disconnect your old hard disk.... coz fdisk /mbr will only change the volume guid of the active partition.... or the boot partition.