Post by: greazee on September 03, 2007, 08:56:06 PM
This is my story of being elite and my take on what it has become:
When I joined the site I saw the elites as some great group of people who commanded respect and rightfully deserved it.
I wanted to become one, not because its cool or whatever the regular reason is, but because no matter what they were the people who stood out from normal members, they were leaders in the forum and were also trusted with everyone.
When I became an elite I thought it would be some great thing, however I soon realized that was not the case. When I joined I noticed a pattern, if you speak out enough then the others will follow... and that’s the way it was, Allanon pretty much dictated the vote, and that’s probably the reason I won by as much as I did in my elite poll. So yeah I used this to my advantage right away by making JBLee (one of my better friends on this forum at the time) an elite poll and glorified him in every way possible in order to win the votes.
Then quickly I realized how this was not the way to do it, because soon after JBLee and me had a fall out, which started when Kmuk scammed him (no one at the time was sure) and he blamed me. I then spent a good hour trying to guess kmuks bank pin after getting onto his account because, even though Kmuk has been my friend since I was in elementary school, I didn't want Tom and JBLee to become enemies. (Plus if kmuk scammed its not like I was betraying him by righting his wrong)
Well from there JBLee and Tom hacked my MSN after my attempt to help, and that I will never forgive simply because I was helping them and they pretty much stabbed me in the back. This is where I found just how bad the elite situation was.
For any other person, hacking an elites msn, or any other members msn, would have resulted in a ban, yet this time it didn’t and I knew exactly why. I wasn't interested in a ban, just De-Elited (he was given elite in the midst of everything) because I highly doubt that if an elite, lets say Zack the man, went and hacked a member (such as I Hate My User Name) Msn that he would stay elite for too much longer. However this was not the case, he was given a free pass because "he wasn’t thinking clearly"
Shortly after people started claiming that I should pay back because I was the MM, and that I was the one given a free pass in the whole ordeal, however I see that as ridiculous seeing as how the MM doesn’t have to pay back if someone recovers an account in a trade.
From that point on I prevented JBLee from keeping elite by posting the proof of him hacking my msn, as well as proving any stories JBLee provided were false. So he was no longer elite.... time went by, I had my run in with IHacky, which left us as enemies and destroyed the blackmarket I joined, and eventually Allanon talked me into returning to Runecore after my departure, I was given admin again. Then a lot of stuff happened, and during this time there was always subtle things JBLee did that kept me from really liking him again, so when they started to become less subtle I disconnected myself from him.
At this time I also joined another site and talked to some pretty cool people, who needed help making some forums... and since I was trying to build a rep I was happy to help. I posted on Runecore saying that I was going to be less active and that it would be easier to contact me through the new sites chat box (I was talking to people through there because some didn’t have msn)
Well then JBLee decided it was reason to remove my admin and from there all those little subtle things that bugged me so much added up with this into one big pile of fuck him and I left for a second time. Then Wdude tried to scam me and madhatter was involved, which led to JBLee saying even if he scams me then he wont get banned as well as calling me a scammer among other things. Well things kept going on, Blackout and Wdude (at this time they were pretty much JBLee worshipers) started attacking Aragosts site tontalk because I was an admin there, so I retaliated by getting runecore taken down... and that really was never what I wanted to do but I had enough of shit from them. That’s pretty much the reason I told what I did, which pretty much set up allanon to get it back... and I wasn't disappointed really because I did like the site runecore, my problem was with jblee and his little posse or whatever.
Then Allanon gave Jblee admin on Aragosts site and watched him destroy it... so that pretty much turned jblees chances of winning his elite poll from ok to bad... and when I ended in a tie (early I might add) allanon changed the rules from ties = loss to ties = win on 1 week poll... and from there I have just been looking at this system we have and realized more and more that the people who are most actively calling it broken and corrupt are the ones making it that way, and I honestly dont see any way of fixing it.
The latest thing I see as horribly wrong is that Kirk Hammett is possibly going to lose Elite because certain people have been going around getting people to change their vote for reasons like “Not active†or “Not known by enough members, not trusted enoughâ€
Well those reasons are grade a bullshit, lets compare to our newest elite SRMN, who won his poll with no votes against him.
Kirk Hammett: 101mil MMed
Paco: 84mil MMed
Winner: Kirk
Kirk Hammett: 5 Posts Per day
Paco: 3 posts per day
Winnder: Kirk
And as for members not knowing him, he doesn’t have 700 msn friends for no reason, he is on everyday talking to people and the fact of the matter is that he is being voted against in the elites because certain members with more influence don’t know him. That’s some bullshit if I have ever seen it.
That is why I am pretty much jumping ship, I no longer wish to be associated with this group anymore (Runecore Included). So goodbye to elite for me, and I hope this will explain why I’m resigning… I can only hope this will do more good then bad.
Do not remove this post either because it is not flame in any way, none of it is personal, im just talking about things as a whole and it is my way of seeing things plus it will help me explain as to why I am no longer elite from this moment on.
Ps: none of my votes or reccomendations made before this are void, they still count
Added: now apparently kirk lost his poll because in the very last minute a member who isnt online on ttg, msn or ventrilo told a mod that he wanted his vote changed...
Post by: JB Lee on September 03, 2007, 09:16:21 PM
you can say all you want about whatever you want, this is the last time i will post in this thread...
go ahead...im not goign to argue...i know i am right...allanon didnt de-elite me because i was right...thats all i have to say...
so long bud, been nice knowing you
Post by: Allanon on September 03, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
Also, as a side note though, I'm not unfair, when Everlasting Death screwed around with Runecore, I didn't de-elite him. I made a rule about it, yes, but there were more than a few legit reasons behind that rule, including what happened at ton talk.
Also regarding the one week poll. If you would recall, JB Lee's one week poll was a tie indeed, but it was also the FIRST one week poll to ever tie, so you can't say a tie was a loss in one week polls before, a tie was and is a loss only in the first poll as it is trying to get in and the week poll is only to let them stay in so it can allow for some slack.
Reazee, you may have noticed a trend of things. You didn't get voted into the elites because of me, you got voted in because you knew who to talk to, you made friends with other elites and took advantage of that. Not saying you shouldn't have or I would have done differently but you did.
Regarding tontalk, there is much more to it than that, and it has already been resolved with Nick.
Finally, regarding the poll of kirk hammet. If you would recall, I closed the poll early and you re-opened it. If Cursed said that he did not request for his vote to be changed as we find out tomorrow. If he indeed did not request a vote change then it will be changed back and Kirk will stay elite.
I agree that things there are problems with the elite system, and I am willing to work to change it, as you have seen with recent efforts from Littlefly and I. Saying that they are beyond repair is wrong.
Everybody has their views on things you included, of course they will sway their opinions some. However, When I do something, like make a new rule regarding the one week poll, I may have done it with one of the reasons to keep JB Lee elite because I thought he deserved it, but that wasn't my only reason. I would never have done it JUST to keep JB Lee an elite, that is a bit too corrupt for me. I also recognized that it was a problem for members who were generally well liked and trusted but have an influential elite such as yourself have a grudge against them to try and get in.
It is impossible to have people's personal opinions not get in the way, whether in making new rules, voting in a poll or anything else. Am I at wrong for that? sure. But I still try and be fair, and try and make up for what I do wrong by doing other things right.
Even if you don't want to be a part of it, I don't think I will de-elite you, you have been a good friend since you joined, and you are always welcome at TTG. Right now what you are doing is giving up, and instead wouldn't it be better to work on ways to improve the elites instead of turning your back to them?
Well whatever you decide, you have been a good elite and I hope you decide to stay.
-Allanon
EDIT:Moved topic to General Discussion so it would take longer to go down the page.
Post by: Yded on September 03, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
When you screwed up Runecore, I was pretty frustrated, wondering why such a trusted and valuable member of both TTG and Runecore would mess up a forum owned by a good friend. I found out some information about the ordeal and hoped that you would come back so you could fix what had happened and try and put it behind you.
You finally did, and found out that your status had been re-elevated; not quite to the Runecore admin status as before, but JBLee did have his personal reasons to not make you admin. I was glad, because I never really had the chance to get to know you as well.
Although I am sure you have personal reasons to leave other than the ones listed above, I think TTG is at a (more) critical stage that should allow you to rethink your decision of leaving elite anti scammers. Your argument of saying elite anti scammers having a leadership quality is absolutely right. There is no doubt in my mind that they don't. But thinking your resignation of elite is somehow going to do something is skewed. Your influence could help express your opinions. And I also agree that Tyler deserves elite, but I think that both of them deserve it, not just one of them. Tyler is actually very active on the forums, and I think that is an illegitimate reason to vote against him.
All in all, in my opinion, I don't think that you should leave. But I also think that you should allow others to have their own opinions, even if it means having a bias against you or other people. I hope that nobody takes offense in what I wrote or hates me because I have supported what Reazee has said. I agree a lot but not all with Allanon, and this is not because of some sort of imposing factor he holds on me. This is because he has supported what makes sense.
Thanks and I hope you stay,
Yded
Post by: Small Shoe Magoo on September 03, 2007, 11:25:14 PM
Post by: Homer Jay Simpson on September 03, 2007, 11:25:25 PM
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Post by: Snake-Master on September 04, 2007, 02:27:41 AM
PS - Allanon I sent you a PM
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Post by: greazee on September 04, 2007, 08:44:33 AM
you can say all you want about whatever you want, this is the last time i will post in this thread...
go ahead...im not goign to argue...i know i am right...allanon didnt de-elite me because i was right...thats all i have to say...
so long bud, been nice knowing you[/quote]
this wasnt in any way directed towards you, I am not resigning because your elite and im not saying you should be de elited.
Post by: greazee on September 04, 2007, 08:54:58 AM
i am umm... not leaving just resigning from elites... well i suppose i never really came back to blackmarkets until i wanted to help paco with RSGod and got sucked back in...
*cough* killinghookers.net/forum *end cough*
[quote name=\'Homer Jay Simpson\' post=\'384837\' date=\'Sep 3 2007, 11:25 PM\']didnt talk to ya much reazee..but i thought u were pretty cool..gl with what u do man
/biggrin.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':D\' />[/quote]yeah, didnt talk much but you always seemed like you were a cool person, although it was hard to keep track of who you were since you have a different name on pretty much every site
/tongue.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':P\' /> and thank you[quote name=\'The Cursed\' post=\'384857\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 02:27 AM\']Whats the point in leaving elites, if you dont like the system then help change and improve the system, leaving wont help it imporve at all. You earnt elite, you didnt get in because of some kind of popularity vote. The only way Allanons going to let you out of the elites is if you scam.
PS - Allanon I sent you a PM
/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':)\' />[/quote]the point in me leaving is because I do not wish to be associated with the group, its nothing personal towards anyone. I just dont like where the group is heading, there is more to it then what I wrote, but I dont wish to say it because I dont wanna get people worked up over it. If I cannot leave the elites then I no longer wish to have an account on this site, that just seems a little out of whack.
Post by: Snowzak on September 04, 2007, 08:57:18 AM
And if you don't agree with JBLee, Everyone follows.
Anti Scammers aren't what they used to be.
Post by: greazee on September 04, 2007, 09:20:16 AM
we have argued over this on msn plenty of times and I dont think I have much more to say on that
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Also, as a side note though, I\'m not unfair, when Everlasting Death screwed around with Runecore, I didn\'t de-elite him. I made a rule about it, yes, but there were more than a few legit reasons behind that rule, including what happened at ton talk.
he did receive punishment... he was de elited and banned on runecore
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Also regarding the one week poll. If you would recall, JB Lee\'s one week poll was a tie indeed, but it was also the FIRST one week poll to ever tie, so you can\'t say a tie was a loss in one week polls before, a tie was and is a loss only in the first poll as it is trying to get in and the week poll is only to let them stay in so it can allow for some slack.
you also ended it early, which left aragost not being able to vote (fairly certain he would have said no), which is also some pretty big slack... slack that you didnt give to Kirk Hammett, you let Aragost change Curseds vote without even talking to him, not to mention either for yes or no it was a bullshit reason. (Aragost Pretty much got 2 votes)
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Reazee, you may have noticed a trend of things. You didn\'t get voted into the elites because of me, you got voted in because you knew who to talk to, you made friends with other elites and took advantage of that. Not saying you shouldn\'t have or I would have done differently but you did.
Regarding tontalk, there is much more to it than that, and it has already been resolved with Nick.
Finally, regarding the poll of kirk hammet. If you would recall, I closed the poll early and you re-opened it. If Cursed said that he did not request for his vote to be changed as we find out tomorrow. If he indeed did not request a vote change then it will be changed back and Kirk will stay elite.
get some proof and i will believe it, also if cursed is allowed to change his vote because of what he said earlier then so is paco, he told me on msn that he wanted his vote removed, but because kirk was winning that he wouldnt bother with it until he was losing... so that means paco requested his vote be removed if he started losing, meaning the poll with or without cursed changed vote is won because it can only end in a tie or win. I have proof as well, which i doubt anyone has when it comes to cursed deciding to change his vote BEFORE the poll ended.
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I agree that things there are problems with the elite system, and I am willing to work to change it, as you have seen with recent efforts from Littlefly and I. Saying that they are beyond repair is wrong.
that is the biggest reason i am leaving, the ways you guys want would make it 10x worse.
Post by: greazee on September 04, 2007, 09:21:41 AM
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Everybody has their views on things you included, of course they will sway their opinions some. However, When I do something, like make a new rule regarding the one week poll, I may have done it with one of the reasons to keep JB Lee elite because I thought he deserved it, but that wasn't my only reason. I would never have done it JUST to keep JB Lee an elite, that is a bit too corrupt for me. I also recognized that it was a problem for members who were generally well liked and trusted but have an influential elite such as yourself have a grudge against them to try and get in.
believe it or not, i am not the only one who had a problem with it, and also look what just happened with kirk hammett, he is a Very well liked person, deserves elite and is very trusted. He was going to easily win in the last day of his poll, the only ones with a problem with it were you JBLee and pureblood.
Then out of nowhere everyone starts changing their vote, elites who dont use the site come on to vote no and even a person who wasnt on to say anything about it had his vote changed...
yet with SRMN, a guy you Pureblood and JBLee like, gets his poll put up, he wins it with no problem... and now lets take a look at somethings, the reasons i have heard is that Paco is more trusted, more active and more known/liked by the community.
as i pointed out in the first post kirk has more posts/posts per day, more MM ammount / transactions and is ONLY on TTG... so 700 contacts would probly mean he is well liked by the community.
So... why is it that Paco won and Kirk didnt?
Post by: JB Lee on September 04, 2007, 09:26:23 AM
Then out of nowhere everyone starts changing their vote, elites who dont use the site come on to vote no and even a person who wasnt on to say anything about it had his vote changed...
yet with SRMN, a guy you Pureblood and JBLee like, gets his poll put up, he wins it with no problem... and now lets take a look at somethings, the reasons i have heard is that Paco is more trusted, more active and more known/liked by the community.
as i pointed out in the first post kirk has more posts/posts per day, more MM ammount / transactions and is ONLY on TTG... so 700 contacts would probly mean he is well liked by the community.
So... why is it that Paco won and Kirk didnt?[/quote]
you should really ralk to us before posting something like that...
we, as a group (me, allanon, pureblood, aragost) have all decided to vote no for Paco on his one week...we decided this last night when i brought up the fact that the only reason we were voting yes for paco is because he is our friend and gets on vent...
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sorry, said i wasnt going to post on this thread...but i just thught you should know the facts
Post by: Snowzak on September 04, 2007, 11:44:46 AM
we, as a group (me, allanon, pureblood, aragost) have all decided to vote no for Paco on his one week...we decided this last night when i brought up the fact that the only reason we were voting yes for paco is because he is our friend and gets on vent...
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sorry, said i wasnt going to post on this thread...but i just thught you should know the facts[/quote]
Yeah, He "Does" Get on Vent..But where does he go?..Hmm, ADMIN CHANNEL Oh guess why? To talk behind our backs. Yeah, Thats just soo Cool!
Post by: Stop Reading My Name on September 04, 2007, 12:05:47 PM
Lol to talk behind our backs.. that's funny.. if you only knew what was we were talking about lol..
Post by: JB Lee on September 04, 2007, 12:05:50 PM
he goes to the admin channel because, NEWS FLASH, he is an admin.....lol
Post by: kirk hammett on September 04, 2007, 02:56:55 PM
This is what someone told me,
You get access to a crappy forum and pretend that the elites are functioning the way they should when really its a big pile of crap
oh and your opinion will be overpowered by allanons, which means if you say something towards him you will have like 5 people on your
ass for reasons they dont really know. (not my words.)
Post by: kirk hammett on September 04, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
Post by: JB Lee on September 04, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: greazee on September 04, 2007, 04:31:22 PM
Post by: !azza! on September 06, 2007, 10:06:39 AM
Post by: colletto on September 06, 2007, 11:09:05 AM
Post by: greazee on September 06, 2007, 12:01:58 PM
Post by: colletto on September 06, 2007, 02:13:07 PM
Post by: colletto on September 09, 2007, 05:57:55 PM
It's over now, so there was no need for that.
Post by: One-X on September 09, 2007, 06:40:31 PM
Post by: pyrokitty on September 09, 2007, 07:01:09 PM
Post by: Small Shoe Magoo on September 09, 2007, 08:54:17 PM
/ohmy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':o\' />, But yeah, good point.
Post by: pyrokitty on September 10, 2007, 06:33:26 PM
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Post by: bLaCk0uT on September 11, 2007, 11:19:15 PM
Me and wdude were basically just having fun because we had no idea that Aragost was even active.
I've actually come to realize that Wdude is a dick, and i had no idea the he tried scamming you..If i would have known that then 1. Me and him wouldnt have spammed tontalk, and 2. I doubt about half of this would happen...It seems like a small thing but i sorta feel like part of this is my fault
/sad.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':(\' />Im just glad that we're cool now. Just wish that you and JB Lee would get along some times... Sure he can be a blabbering hypocrite sometimes but you sorta just gotta ignore that.
The thing that REALLY pisses me off about JB is that he makes posts like "No flaming on Runecore" when he gets on there every single day and flames Pureblood basically. Even though its not always right on the site, nonetheless, he flames somebody EVERY SINGLE DAY...
I just hope that you stay active on sites other than KillingHookers because right now, that site is VERY boring with only 55 members.
Oh yeah, Pyro, sometimes it is a big deal.. I mean, I've made ALOT of friends on here and i'd be really sad to see them go. Like im still hoping that ZTM doesnt leave just because he gets 1b mmed...If he does leave, i hope he gets on vent every once in a while and keeps in contact. The good people on these forums are always the first to leave, which kinda makes me sad sometimes. Good thing Reazee isnt leaving
/wink.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\';)\' />And !azza!, that was really uncalled for. Reazee is a good guy...Just gotta get to know him.
Post by: greazee on September 11, 2007, 11:56:32 PM
liar...
Post by: Aragost / Evil Shady on September 12, 2007, 12:25:45 AM
Reazee is a great guy, stubborn, but a great guy.
And PyroKitty though you are right in some ways you are very wrong in others, I have learn allot through my last 18 months as a member here, I've met some great people (Reazee, ZTM, Cursed, Allanon, PureBlood, ED ect..) but I've also met some bastards (Wdude, Glower ect, ect..) I've learnt allot about American culture, not amazingly important but meh... I've learnt how to argue and more importantly how to win that arguement, I av found ou dat talking like dis makes u look lyk an idiot, when I first joined, I am sorry to say, I wrote it chat speak, thats right, I wrote it chatspeak, I also finally realised that their is no good inside some people people and that those people really don't have a concience, in that way my life will be affected by my time here at the forums, for better or for worse, maybe it's just me, I don't know but I do know I'm "hella" pleased a fell across this backwater.
- Shady
Post by: wdude on September 12, 2007, 05:54:42 AM
its a beauitiful morning!
Post by: JB Lee on September 12, 2007, 07:21:56 AM
How is that uncalled for? Reazee completely framed !azza! for scamming, even got him banned....if it wasnt for me !azza! would still be banned...that isnt right and !azza! has all the rights in the world to be pissed at him...
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as for me flming people, its usually in response to that person doingsomethign wrong to me...as in soldja and azn kid...I DO NOT flame regular members unless they have done something, or many things, wrong directly to me...and that is a fact...
And pureblood is a completely different story...just because I installed a mod that changes all words on a site into another word and tested it on pureblood by changing any time anyone ever said "Pureblood" into "Buttsex" doesnt mean I flamed him...lol...and just because I had to change his Display name to "Buttsex" to match isnt a flame ...lmao
Its not like I did it because I was pissed...thats friendly playing around...and its not like I didnt change it back either...
There is a big difference between flaming some1 to hurt them, and just messing around by indirectly calling some1 gay as a joke...
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and wdude...go fuck yourself...you lying bastard...i trusted you, gave you mod on my site...and you repay me by breaking the rules and getting de-modded...then you quit the site and 2 months later make a thread on a hacking site to pay them 20 to hack runecore..........that is a dick move dude...
Post by: bLaCk0uT on September 12, 2007, 10:26:39 AM
And JB you said you flame people who flame you.. I always thought it was a well known fact that 2 wrongs dont make a right.
Flame JB Lee + JB Lee flaming back=Flame x 2
Flame JB Lee + JB Lee ignoring it or suspending person for breaking rules= Flame x 1, AND Less flame on Runecore.
Post by: JB Lee on September 12, 2007, 10:35:46 AM
And JB you said you flame people who flame you.. I always thought it was a well known fact that 2 wrongs dont make a right.
Flame JB Lee + JB Lee flaming back=Flame x 2
Flame JB Lee + JB Lee ignoring it or suspending person for breaking rules= Flame x 1, AND Less flame on Runecore.[/quote]
When you look back at my posts, I have not flamed anyone...the closest I came was soldja when I told him that He is a square peg and runecore is a round hole, and he will never fit in...This was because he made a second account, pretended to be his sister, then flirted with me, then said she died...which is just sick...then, he posted something on RUneCore that I specifically told him not to post, 3 different times...i suspended him, and he told me that if I didnt unsuspend him he would post it on TTG...I unsuspended him, and he flamed me and spammed the shoutbox...so I resuspended him...then he waited until his suspension was up, got back on and made a thread saying he was leaving (for the 6th time) because he said he didnt fit in...
Honestly, I don't think that telling him he didnt fit in (especially when he was the one that admitted it) was all that bad after what he had done...
other than that...I have not flamed anyone...except maybe pureblood but as I said, completely different...go find me an example of when I flamed (when runecore is back up in a few hours)...
Post by: Snowzak on September 12, 2007, 10:43:13 AM
JB Lee, How did he get banned? :|
Post by: bLaCk0uT on September 12, 2007, 10:43:48 AM
Post by: JB Lee on September 12, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
That was for pureblood...thats a BIG difference from flaming...
And the fact is that the thread itself (made by pureblood) was against the rules...i edited it litterally less than a minute before I deleted it...only for allanon to see...
[quote name=\'Snowzak\' post=\'387584\' date=\'Sep 12 2007, 10:43 AM\']Wdude tried to hack Runecore?!..Thats low.
JB Lee, How did he get banned? :|[/quote]
no, he tried to PAY some1 to hack runecore...my left shoe knows more about hacking than he does...
he got banned because I found the site he made the request on...and trying to get my site hacked is enough for me to ban him in my opinion
Post by: colletto on September 12, 2007, 11:50:13 AM
cough*... yeh I spose I did nothing to help him get un-banned..