Post by: greazee on October 16, 2007, 12:28:29 AM
mods should all have specific roles, and we should also have a council type thing for rule making and deciding.
ok so here is a layout i think would work and am making up as i type:
4 Mods:
1 (allanon) who has ACP access and can ban people
1 who patrols the forum for rule breakers (jblee because he is weird like that)
and then 2 who can help lead the forums, do some rule breaking justice... but mostly for leadership status. (pureblood.... aragost too if he still comes here *ponders if its too early to use the lame duck jokes and give him shit*)
As for like rules and final say-so on things, i think there should be a council of the most outspoken elites that are mature and think logically, which basically rules out madhatter.
Im not sure how many but like 5 or so people, and they have to make sure every side is heard.
How this whole council thing would be organized could be tricky, but maybe have a meeting every week and have an alternate (approved by allanon i guess) in case one cant make it.
For example on wednesday night at 8 central all 5 people will get into a msn conversation and address issues posted in a specified thread, consider the sides and then make a final ruling.
I think this would make it so we can have active people such as jblee, as well as forum leaders such as aragost all be mods without the worry that they wont do the job. Plus it will take away the factor of being the same "rulers" here as on runecore (which would really be pointless if you look at it)
So yeah... discuss! but dont let this just be another forgotten idea, we really need to figure one out this time.
Post by: Yded on October 16, 2007, 12:32:05 AM
anyways good idea, but idno if itll be put into place.
Post by: greazee on October 16, 2007, 12:36:40 AM
anyways good idea, but idno if itll be put into place.[/quote]
im not trying to make it look like aragost and pureblood do nothing, because that isnt true. they just arent like jblee, he reads all the posts and finds the ones breaking rules. not to mention he has weird ass hours of awake time....
however pureblood and aragost are like role models on this forum, they are extremely trusted and respected (pureblood not so much thanks to some people *cough cough*) and are great leaders. They also still do mod stuff as well, you probly just dont notice it.
and you saying they have mod for random reasons is just redonkulous, they both deserve mod very much... its just ttg has become such a mess it seems like they have lost motivation and hope to make it better, plus they got lazy because jblee does everything on runecore and here he cant do anything.
Post by: berencam on October 16, 2007, 01:00:19 AM
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Post by: greazee on October 16, 2007, 01:09:47 AM
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Post by: berencam on October 16, 2007, 01:13:44 AM
Post by: r1ch dude12 on October 16, 2007, 01:48:41 AM
Post by: JB Lee on October 16, 2007, 03:10:24 AM
*cough*its going to be impossible to get just 6 on...
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i dont really like this idea...but im torn because it envolves me getting mod...
but yeh...i dont like this...it wouldnt work...it would end up just being the elites that happen to be on...which would more than likely just be the mods, me, you, paco, yded, and r1ch if he happens to be on...and berencam i guess but I havent been really paying attention to what times he is on...
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Personally, i think it would be better if it was just the mods that got together to make decisions...easier to get them together and they could use ventrilo...and then since most of us important elites
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or maybe just take your idea...and change it from 4-5 elites...to whatever elites happen to be on...and then put it on ventrilo instead of msn...
i can tell you now it would be more productive and alot more idea would be thrown out if you could say them instantly instead of typing...
Post by: r1ch dude12 on October 16, 2007, 05:58:20 AM
Post by: MadHatter on October 16, 2007, 10:32:23 AM
Post by: greazee on October 16, 2007, 12:04:41 PM
Post by: Snake-Master on October 16, 2007, 02:33:05 PM
Post by: greazee on October 16, 2007, 03:27:02 PM
Post by: GOD OF WAR on October 16, 2007, 05:06:03 PM
Post by: Small Shoe Magoo on October 16, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
Post by: berencam on October 16, 2007, 10:02:36 PM
Now that i said that, to address a system for rule breakers, whoever it is that will be in charge of administering punishment can do just that. The other members of the elite team or what ever can report to him with a list of items that need attending, either by pm or mabee by a thread stickied to the top of this forum and the posts can be deleted as they are resolved. As far as a team that decides on things, what is wrong with a forum poll. Anyone can access it at anytime.
Post by: Small Shoe Magoo on October 16, 2007, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: greazee on October 17, 2007, 01:23:03 AM
Not to mention when you just put up a poll there isn't any dialog happening, its just vote and most of the time don't post... there really needs to be an active discussion on rules... just like there should be with possible elites...
Post by: r1ch dude12 on October 17, 2007, 01:45:59 AM
Post by: greazee on October 17, 2007, 02:12:16 AM
There could easily be a system set up, like where if you have a specific issue with something message one of the people about it...
maybe we could have a non arguer like be in charge of the meeting, make sure all sides are heard, lead the conversation to make sure everythings taken care of and theres no monkey business... it may sound complicated but it is quite simple.
Post by: r1ch dude12 on October 17, 2007, 02:18:56 AM
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Post by: JB Lee on October 17, 2007, 04:39:00 AM
Now that i said that, to address a system for rule breakers, whoever it is that will be in charge of administering punishment can do just that. The other members of the elite team or what ever can report to him with a list of items that need attending, either by pm or mabee by a thread stickied to the top of this forum and the posts can be deleted as they are resolved. As far as a team that decides on things, what is wrong with a forum poll. Anyone can access it at anytime.[/quote]
Because posting in the wrong section is a rule...and it is the rule that is broken the most out of any other rule...
it doesnt matter if you yourself dotn see it as important...or if NO ONE sees it as important...i could go make a rule that says no1 can post the word "and"...and if people broke it, i would still make a big deal out of it...rules are rules...they are here for the benefit of the forum, and i expect them to be followed, no matter how insignificant...
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Your idea about the punishment system...
I have tried doing that system 3 times now...my "JB Lee's Notes" thread...
it doesnt matter how good of a system you have, if the mods are unresponsive, "lazy", "too busy", or "cant be assed"...then nothign will get done...
it doesnt matter how many times you ask them, it doesnt matter where you ask them, and it doesnt matter what it is you are asking...if they dont want to do it, they wont...
the ONLY way anything is going to get done is if we get a new mod who actually wants to do modding...
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now, i would like for everyone to go read my thread regarding the Empty Warn system...its a way to keep track of the amount of times people break the rules, and then administer the correct punishment (rules and punishments found in my sig)
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if the mods would stop being lazy, and start using my system...
then there would be ALOT less rule breakers...
Post by: berencam on October 17, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
And about what jb said, i know its important to have someone fixing ill placed threads and spam. But it shouldnt be at the top of our list. We need to set up a system of mods, elites, and common members. After all we are just a small portion of this forum. If you want to make this more of a forum where everyone has a say why stop it at just the elites. We of course would be the final say in it, but we need to hear what they have to say also.
But again we can make the best system ever created, but untill we get that mod that will work with us its pointless.
Post by: JB Lee on October 17, 2007, 12:34:18 PM
Although I agree that all of the problems would be fixed if the current mods did their jobs...i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that it will NEVER happen...
Allanon has made it very clear he considers modding the forum "below" him...he says he is the head-mod and his duties lie in the ACP and not in the moderating of the forum itself...and while i dont completely agree, he does have a point...
Aragost has flat out refused to moderate the forum because he "cant be assed"...I have been told on MANY occasions that he will not do anything I tell him to do...because he doesnt want to be tolf he only does what I tell him to do...so instead of actually doing something, he does absolutely nothing...instead of accepting the help i provide, he refuses it and does nothing...that is just incomprehensible to me...
Pureblood does fine, when he notices something...and when he is on...I have no complaints about him other than the fact that he isnt on alot...
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And I think we all know what great helps "The Flames", "Twinkie", and "Dexter" have been... -.-
^Please dont misconstrue that as an attempt of persuasion to have them demodded...i honestly dont care in the lightest that there are inactive mods...this was just a small sarcastic remark...
Post by: greazee on October 17, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
This isnt to complain about the current system, it is to think of a system that will improve it. We can sit here and complain about what some arent doing, but it wont change unless we all do something about it.... i dont know if that came out the right way but i refuse to read it over.
anyway i forgot what i was talking about so allanon can go fuck himself.
Post by: greazee on October 31, 2007, 12:13:27 AM