Post by: MadHatter on December 31, 2007, 09:31:20 PM
it seems like anybody is getting elite!!!! i worked my ass off and it took me 11 months to get elite, but now some people get in within 4 months. whatever, i guess it doesnt matter anymore but i dont see them doing as much as i or any of the older elites did for that matter. and wait....you guys (jblee, allanon, purblood and others cant remember)voted no on paco's poll but voted yes on other people's polls. its bull. paco was an admin on runecore and everybody trusted him but people who are regular members on runecore can get elite here in 4 months....?
I got nothing against you guys btw...
Post by: Yded on December 31, 2007, 10:11:14 PM
Because thats really the only people you're referring to that fits in that category. And oh maybe Kirk Hammett, but he was elite a tiny bit longer.
Post by: JB Lee on December 31, 2007, 10:38:42 PM
My thinking for voting yes on eloyman and no for paco was simple: times have changed.
Paco has about 150m MMed, which is way too low for elite (I usually only vote yes for people with 300+). We made a point to the public by voting no on him when he obviously wasn't qualified and we all knew and had accepted the fact that we wanted to vote yes purely because he was our friend. We KNEW he would never scam, but his history in trading had not proved it.
As for eloyman, he had even less MMed, less transactions, and had been here a less amount of time. But, it is the same concept as Paco. He is our friend, we know he wont scam (proven by a 42m transfer he did for me while Paco has never done a trade with me), but yet his transactions history doesn't completely prove his trust.
However, as I said, time have changed. There is no longer a need for Official MMs. The elite group is now merely for people who have the friendliness and knowledge to lead a forum. There is no need for trust or transactions, the basis for what an elite is has changed due to the recent updates of Jagex. There will be no more trades, and in turn, no MM's. So how do you decide who gets elite?
I have always based my vote for elite on trust, activity, maturity, and the basic understanding of the english language. Usually I put more emphasis on the trust part, but now, I put more emphasis on the other parts (while still keeping a small part on trust). Eloyman has shown maturity, he is active, he definitely speaks english, he is in contact with me and other mods 6+ hours out of the day on ventrilo, and he has proven that he can be trustworthy (to me at least).
I see no problem with him being elite, but that is my personal opinion. I did not get together with any of the other mods / elites before voting. Usually we talk the votes out and figure out how we will vote, but we did not for eloyman. I voted differently than pureblood and allanon. He has proven his trust to me, and combined with other qualities, he has proven his worthiness to be elite.
Post by: MadHatter on January 01, 2008, 08:10:31 AM
Because thats really the only people you're referring to that fits in that category. And oh maybe Kirk Hammett, but he was elite a tiny bit longer.[/quote]
well yeah.....but not only you guys it was also other people who got elite polls but lost.
Post by: kirk hammett on January 01, 2008, 12:16:21 PM
and it was all a waste, but i met some cool people so it was worth it. Soon as i get my 30m so i can sell to rl people for outragoues prices, i will make my goodbye thread.
But, BYE EVERYONE I MIGHT MISS YOU.
--i still get on MSN sence its got alot of my rl / rs friends --
GOOD BYE AND GOODNIGHT FROM KIRK HAMMETT.
Post by: JB Lee on January 02, 2008, 06:18:23 AM
How exactly do you plan to get the mills? And if you mean you are playing the game and earning it, then how exactly do you plan to sell it?
You have about an hour before the updates go into effect at the time of this post. By the time you read this, it will probably be too late...
Post by: Allanon on January 02, 2008, 06:46:49 AM
Post by: JB Lee on January 02, 2008, 07:01:33 AM
Post by: Snake-Master on January 02, 2008, 01:30:12 PM
Post by: JB Lee on January 02, 2008, 01:50:37 PM
I agree with you completely Cursed, but I think I know what madhatter is trying to say.
You guys, the original elites, don't really count as trying to "get in". Madhatter is referring to people that actually had to try to get it (Pureblood, Myself, littlefly, and a few others). We worked our asses off in order to become elites, I myself didn't even get it until I had nearly 1bil MMed. Then the new ones just get in because of friends...
Honestly, I think there are 2 main reasons for it starting to get easier again:
1) Ventrilo. People started talking to each other around the clock, everyday. You start to make friends, then someone new comes on (eloyman, madhatter, paco) and you make friends with them and before you know it, you trust them. They haven't proven their trust, no, but you KNOW they wont scam. It is a lot easier to get to know someone through voice than it is through text. (I am a perfect example, I sound and act nothing like I do on the forums, lol, ask anyone). If you look back, no one that was active on ventrilo has scammed. The closest was azza, but did anyone really like him?
2) That whole thing with me and reazee kinda split the elites in half for a bit, people voted for people just to spite the other side, votes started to become collective instead of individual which still seems to have stuck, encouraged more by the fact that we can easily share our thoughts on ventrilo in an organized fashion.
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Just brainstorming I guess, I dunno.
Either way, my vote still stands for Eloyman, and I really don;t see how anyone can disagree with MY vote. He transferred 42m for me in one trade without scamming, thats enough to make me trust him. Other people though, thats up to them why they voted what they did.
Post by: littlefly1 on January 02, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
I think we should of just gone to the VERY devoted people that have been active for one year atleast and asked them to become elite when we think they are ready. Not them asking us. We should of done that instead, so when we think someone is ready, we will PM them asking if they want to become elite, then make a Poll or something. Because some of these elites asked when they were still little nooblets and got in because they were "cool" and had "many friends".
Post by: Snake-Master on January 03, 2008, 04:57:14 AM
Post by: eloyman on January 03, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
I've made myself known on runecore and ttg, Always try and keep my mming thread on the first page, never turn down mms, offer advice to people when they need it and even help whenever I can.. I can respect the fact that you had to wait a long ass time to become an elite.. But don't say I got in just because of friends, I worked for it too. Maybe not as hard as you did... But I still worked for it.
And for Ydeds part..
He just plain out freakin deserves it..
Post by: JB Lee on January 03, 2008, 08:35:10 PM
Post by: Yded on January 03, 2008, 10:41:16 PM
Even Matthew (before elite) and Pureblood (after elite) use to struggle to get MM's at a few points, then JBLee had a pretty steady pace of MM's after RuneCore.
I still have no freaking idea how I got so much MM'd. I did a few when I started advertising about it, then more people heard I was sort of trusted and used me to MM.
Glad to be among the few (due to a mass loss of people from the terrorrist named scammers), the (somtimes) proud,the ELITES.
When I went for TTG elite the only thing I had going for me was activeness, a moderate amount of MM's, and my vouches.
Even I think that maybe being here a bit longer would have given me more experience, but it worked out in the end.
And on runecore, although I had a heavy reputation from its members, since I was NOT active and NOT a leader position, that is what lead me to lose.
I believe that Eloyman deserved elite because I believed that 1. he would not scam in any way. 2. he displays leadership qualities,and 3. he had a number of credentials.
You guys obviously aren't making him mod of VD and DD for no reason.... You're not something inanimate like a chair or something...... Oh wait.......
Post by: JB Lee on January 03, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
I got my "big break", i guess it was I would call it, when I was given mod of banjagex, nearly admin. Then that crashed and people needed a new site, I decided I would make my own.
First of all, how often are you guys actually on to MM? I don't have school, I don't have work, I don't have any commitments whatsoever. Therefor I was able to spend 100% of my time MMing. I was always on, always. You all say that you worked your ass off MMing, but that was only when you were on. The "only when I was on" for me was 100% of the time. I never turned down an MM until just recently.
Second of all, I should have been an elite way before I actually got elite, and you all know it. I was going to win my poll, no questions asked. I won my original poll without a hitch and then the 1 week poll was miserable due to that crap with reazee. Nothing had changed, but the elites had split up and the only people I had to vote for me was Allanon and Pureblood. Pureblood tried probably 3 times to get me into elite and it finally happened when Allanon changed the rules (allanon will disagree with this, he'll say something about the rules never being established for this individual instance, but you all know it...). I should have been an elite 3 months before I actually got it, but I had to spend 2-3 months working my ass off even harder.
Third of all...making RuneCore in itself has been my entire life for the last year...I know this has nothing to do with trust, but I would just like to throw out the fact that I have spent literally every hour of every day designing, building, and working on RuneCore. I have spent tons of money (most returned thanks to donations).
Honestly, call me selfish or whatever, but I think I have worked harder than any of you.
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I never really had a goal of being elite, never really wanted it. I wanted to be mod and I knew without being an elite I had no chance...
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[quote name=\'Yded\' post=\'417773\' date=\'Jan 3 2008, 09:41 PM\']You're not something inanimate like a chair or something...... Oh wait.......[/quote]
lmao
Post by: Small Shoe Magoo on January 04, 2008, 03:14:10 AM
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Post by: eloyman on January 09, 2008, 05:36:16 PM
the fact that you admitted Yeah..
means that thats abuse of power..
Post by: eloyman on January 09, 2008, 05:46:31 PM
You can't assume that everything you don't like to hear is about VD or you..
Post by: JB Lee on January 09, 2008, 06:13:18 PM
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Post by: eloyman on January 09, 2008, 06:54:25 PM
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