Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 12:22:56 AM
I know it was him as he sent me 2 pms, and confirmed this on msn as showed in the pics. This is an outrage honestly, i guess you can't trust anyone. (PS - He was going to transfer the GP for me, so i let him in w/ pin)
Pics speek for themselfz, this is in outrage.
(Pics of the PMS will be posted shortly.)
-[color=\"#ff0000\"]Kirk Hammett[/color], [color=\"#4169e1\"]ELITE ANTI SCAMMER[/color]. 600m+ mm'd, 200+ trades, 100 MM's and over 200 vouches.
I have NEVER accused anyone of scamming without beeing 100% sure, and restassured, it was him. The paypal was in Canada. Paypal Email is [font=\"Arial\"][color=\"#000000\"]disco_stu990@ hot_ mail.com (NO SPACES)[/color][/font][color=\"#000000\"]
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Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 12:40:39 AM
Some1 post this on Sythe.org I dont have an account.;;
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 19, 2008, 12:48:37 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 19, 2008, 12:56:21 AM
How does this prove anything?
moved to trader feedback
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 19, 2008, 01:11:25 AM
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 01:16:54 AM
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 19, 2008, 01:22:39 AM
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 01:25:58 AM
He didnt want to get into this, so Im not saying anything, just talk to him private..
Post by: JB Lee on June 19, 2008, 01:39:49 AM
Post by: R2Pleasent on June 19, 2008, 01:43:38 AM
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 19, 2008, 01:54:38 AM
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 01:57:48 AM
(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5519/pleasentiy5.jpg) (http://\"http://imageshack.us\")
(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5519/pleasentiy5.a8168c39ce.jpg) (http://\"http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=501&i=pleasentiy5.jpg\")
Post by: Jollyman on June 19, 2008, 02:08:14 AM
I will admit kirk's pictures aren't the best evidence but mine are. So either resolve this or I will post mine. And mine are like a perfect jigsaw puzzle they ALL fit together with the timestamps and all.
What happened to the old TTG where no one scammed
/sad.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':(\' /> That was the good TTG.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 02:10:48 AM
Proof of him saying he sent me a pm
Proof of him saying he sent another PM (WHICH CONFIRMS IT WAS HIM!! NOT SOME IMPOSTER!!!!!!!!)
Proof of Paypal trade
Proof of no trade if you would get off your ass and log in
Proof that he scammed me
Ban.
You wont, b/c your a [font=\"MS Shell Dlg\"]crooked peice, i have 0 respect for someone who gets Allanon de-modd'd while you went back and edited Yded posts, which is the same as Allanon did.
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This whole forum is a joke, but he did scam real life money so I can contact paypal, etc.
Thats not the point, I dont care about the money, or the items I want people to know about what going on here..
Post by: death_angel07 on June 19, 2008, 02:26:24 AM
Post by: Jollyman on June 19, 2008, 02:32:58 AM
So I hope for the sake of the forums you all get this resolved because I want nothing more to do with this. I am going to go back to selling my own stuff and sticking to my own business. The only reason I got into this is because kirk asked me to make a post for him. So peace.
Good Luck Kirk.
Post by: JB Lee on June 19, 2008, 02:39:58 AM
I've talked to him maybe three times...I haven't even been on MSN in months... We did one trade, a rather large one, but still only one trade. It was over 8 months ago and I haven't talked to him since.
[quote name=\'Jollyman\' post=\'432304\' date=\'Jun 19 2008, 02:08 AM\']I will admit kirk's pictures aren't the best evidence but mine are. So either resolve this or I will post mine. And mine are like a perfect jigsaw puzzle they ALL fit together with the timestamps and all.[/quote]
Please do. Because all I am seeing is proof that they said the trade was going to happen, proof that r2pleasant sent a confirmation PM, and proof that Kirk sent $75 to a paypal address that may or may not be r2trader's.
If you have it, I would like to see, as I said in my last post, proof that r2pleasant said that that disco email is his.
[quote name=\'kirk hammett\' post=\'432305\' date=\'Jun 19 2008, 02:10 AM\']You wont, b/c your a crooked peice, i have 0 respect for someone who gets Allanon de-modd'd while you went back and edited Yded posts, which is the same as Allanon did.[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about? How did I have anything, at all, whatsoever, to do with Allanon getting de-modded?
I think I've edited maybe 3 posts of yded's total. All of them were originally posts that said something along the lines of "jblee can go suckz0rz a dixx!!111one", and all of them were edited to exactly the same thing. Not a flame, all I made them say is "I am no longer an Elite", which is the truth. If he is going to openly flame me, then I see no reason to hide the fact that he is no longer an Elite due to his actions breaking the Elite rules.
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Do I need to inform the community of the actions you have been accused of? Perhaps the fact that you yourself are still under investigation of being a scammer? Madhatter told me you scammed, he gave me half of the proof and then left ventrilo. A few days later he posts he is grounded from the computer and he hasn't been back on to prove you scammed him.
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I am not going to sit here and get flamed and accused by you. Show me enough proof and he will be banned, don't show enough and he won't. End of story.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 02:43:58 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 19, 2008, 02:49:46 AM
Please post proof that the PayPal address you sent the money to is indeed r2pleasant's. All I see now is you and him agreeing to do the trade, and him sending you confirmation PM's. You have shown you sent the money to an Adam with an email of disco something, please post a screenshot of him saying that is his email.
I am not being unreasonable, This is the same proof required in all evidence topics, and I have requested it since my first post in this topic.
Finish posting your evidence and he will be banned.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 02:50:05 AM
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 03:02:02 AM
Post by: Jollyman on June 19, 2008, 03:08:51 AM
Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 03:10:44 AM
After hes banned im [censored]ing done with TTG Just [censored]ing done
If you need me Add me on MSN!!
Def_Leppard_owns@hotmail.com
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 19, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
Post by: abdul ftw on June 19, 2008, 12:18:13 PM
Nice one
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Post by: kirk hammett on June 19, 2008, 03:51:40 PM
and JBlee vouched him on his thread so i thought he could be trusted but he scammed me..goes to show ya..
Post by: cooldude_4eva12 on June 19, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
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Post by: mindlogiczero on June 19, 2008, 04:07:24 PM
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 19, 2008, 04:08:47 PM
Post by: cooldude_4eva12 on June 19, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 19, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
why would someone as trusted as him scam $70 when he could had scammed hundreds/or thousands. ive talked to him before, he's not a dumb guy and would know better then to ruin his rep for $70.
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 19, 2008, 08:32:52 PM
Post by: JB Lee on June 19, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
Post by: Real-R2pleasent on June 19, 2008, 11:59:29 PM
Post by: Real-R2pleasent on June 20, 2008, 12:02:17 AM
This guy is an idiot, his grammar is terrible. Get him off the site.
Post by: JB Lee on June 20, 2008, 12:07:50 AM
Then why does the IP you just used to post this message match exactly to the one that has been used on the other account?
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 20, 2008, 12:18:18 AM
I told you jb
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Post by: mindlogiczero on June 20, 2008, 12:19:18 AM
Post by: r2pleasent-lyfe on June 20, 2008, 12:41:00 AM
/wink.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\';)\' />[/quote]Told him what? I'll put $100 on the fact that my IP does not match the IP's that have been used on the acct this June. It's a hijacked account.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 20, 2008, 12:42:55 AM
I dont care about the money really, just im pissed about dropping firecape, torso, and rune defender as now I dont have a buyer for my account...
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 20, 2008, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 20, 2008, 01:31:49 AM
Post by: mindlogiczero on June 20, 2008, 01:42:25 AM
Post by: Power-I on June 20, 2008, 05:46:28 PM
(http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3749/39176505jj0.png) (http://\"http://imageshack.us\")
His name is Gregolls LLL, which is probably also his rs name. lol
Post by: Canadian_kid on June 20, 2008, 07:36:36 PM
Ok... First off, I am from sythe, I don't know who the hell kirk is, or R2, yet one of the 2, I don't know which anymore, is using my Paypal to try and scam people, and I've never used this site before in my life (you can get a mod or w/e to check my IP too if you want).
Now, whichever one of those people on here is Tyler in those MSN convo's was tryin to work out a deal to buy my account a few days ago (i doubt it was the one these guys are talkin about cuz mine doesnt have half the items mentioned in the first post) but in any case, whichever one of these was supposed to be recieveing the money was using an e-mail to a paypal that is not even theirs (disco_stu990Email Removed) as it is MY PAYPAL, therefor DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY TO IT WHAT-SO-EVER, as for an e-mail to contact me personally if for some reason you feel the need to Pm me.
Anyway I got off track so back to what I was talking about. Tyler was tryin to buy my account and said he was going to send me some 75 dollars as a start of a payment towards it (i asked for half the payment before he got pw and pin) and he said he was sending me some 75$ that I assume came from his paypal (which obviously it didn't) and he is tryin to scam others and get other people in [censored] at the same time. SO. whoever sent the money to my paypal it has been returned, and again I DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON, some dude on here added me on msn and started pming me. And since I probly missed something in this post I'll come back and edit when I remember. But whoever stole my paypal e-mail and is tryin to get me in [censored], [censored] off or I'll kill you.
And to the mods and others on this site, if I seem a little angry I'm sorry, but I don't like people adding me on msn and harassing me for something I have nothing to do with.
EDIT: Also, Kirk I'm not sure who you are at all, but whoever gave you the e-mail to send the money to, it wasn't their paypal at all, and obviously someone tryin to [censored] you over, and me at the same time, in any case, the money was sent back as I said (i think) so hopefully this [censored] can be cleared up and whoever the hell is messin around can be delt with.
EDIT: I just read some more of this topic, and apperently someone has been posing as my RSN, and using my e-mail which doesn't belong to them. (obviously)
Also for anyone that doubt's the e-mail is mine, pm me and I will add you on it as it is one of my MSN's and I'll pm you on it if need be.
Post by: Canadian_kid on June 20, 2008, 07:58:45 PM
Just out of curiosity what was the e-mail he was using while you were talking to him kirk? Becasue he was either going back on convos with me and you on the same e-mail or just switching e-mails back and forth.
Also kirk if you recieved someone of a bad msg with the money goin back to you my appologies as I thought it was the other dude screwing with me, and had no idea he was getting other people to send money to my paypal. Glad I caught this now before it got way over-blown. But! for everyone else on this site as I mentioned before. DO NOT SEND MONEY TO THAT PAYPAL as the guy tryin to get people to send money to it, does not own it! He doesnt even know the password to it.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 20, 2008, 11:08:05 PM
Im Tyler, i was never buying any account, I was buying some mills to get 94 mage on my accnt so i could sell it for more.
Canadian, add me on msn.
Def_leppard_owns@hotmail.com
Post by: kirk hammett on June 20, 2008, 11:17:06 PM
JBlee, you need to watch who you vouch, by your vouch I considered him (If it even is the real R2) trustable..Try not to vouch ppl that will scam k? I mean it would be helpful to other, i could of sold my rs accnt by now but now it has nothing so i guess im just SOL. (Sh*t outta luck)
Post by: Jollyman on June 20, 2008, 11:21:19 PM
1. He sent me a confirmation pm from his account BEFORE he messaged me on msn proving it was him.
2. He said Jblee vouched for him in our msn convo along with telling me he has done business before with JBlee and he is highly trusted.
3. Why would a FAKE R2Pleasents put the REAL R2Pleasents Syth page to refer business to him if all he wanted to do was steal and pretend to be R2.
4. How come BEFORE he was ever accused of scamming by Kirk and I he posted in his Sig on Syth that R2Pleasents at live dot come was an imposter. He didn't know that person existed UNTIL we brought it up on the forums saying he scammed.
5. He claims to have sold over 20 BILLLLLLLLLION gp he should be banned for that alone! He sells at $5 a million to the freaking math people! That is over $100,000. I sold a little over 2 billion and only made like $25,000 and I can PROVE all mine. You are telling me that this R2 kid managed to sell over 20 billion gp from ONE account and never get caught on the radar. I was selling from RANDOM level 3s with 5-10 million small transactions and they were banned within 24 hours. The kid is a phony. Stop arguing and ban him.
Do not surrender his TTG account. Ban him and do it PERMANENTLY this time. If he manages to get back in then we all know there is a leak in the forum mods who is allowing it and currently there is only one forum mod so with all the evidence if he is NOT gotten rid of I will just email Jose and ask him to take a look to see WHY his forum mod isn't doing the job he was appointed to. That is all the info you need.
I just have a HARD time believe this kid made over $100,000 with NO proof of it and no one knows HOW he gets it or makes it. I mean I was in the top 100 richest in the game and everyone KNEW my method because I have NOTHING to hide I am not a fake or phony. Ban him and lets lock this thread!
Post by: JB Lee on June 20, 2008, 11:33:43 PM
As for him selling 20billion through one account, how do you know he only used one account? Is there any proof one way or another how many accounts he used?
Also, I'm pretty sure there is proof of all his transactions. He's like the number one mills seller on sythe, the biggest rs blackmarket, for all I know he might actually have done $100,000 worth of transactions, who are we to say he didn't?
I MM'ed nearly 4 billion on one single MM account (jblee_mm), he could have used 5 accounts and there you go...
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Now, I had a long talk with R2Pleasant on AIM, and he explained to me in more detail what happened and his story checks out. The account "R2Pleasant" was not used with his IP since November of 2007, and was then used again yesterday on his new account he registered with to post here. The other posts all throughout june were a separate IP. Therefor, I can only conclude he was hacked.
As for why he would send people to the real R2Pleasant's transactions list, it would probably be so they would trust him more after seeing his transactions...
Now, if I could, I would change the password on R2Trader and give it back to the real one, but I am only a Moderator and can't... So, I have banned the account until I talk to an Admin.
Any more flaming and this thread will be locked.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 20, 2008, 11:43:09 PM
Post by: Canadian_kid on June 20, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
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Post by: Power-I on June 21, 2008, 12:05:09 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 12:11:28 AM
No one has hacked TTG. If they did, I'm pretty sure the admins and mods would be the first to know. I have a lot more important things to lose than this forum account that share this same password...
His story is that he used a five letter password and it may have been guessed. He also says he used the same password on Fagex, and Fagex was recently hacked. No comment on either, but all I know is the IP used during this last month on the account is not R2Pleasant, so the only way it could have been him is if he used a proxy every time he visited this site in the last month and then went back to his normal IP on the new account he made.
Post by: Power-I on June 21, 2008, 12:49:41 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 12:56:57 AM
I'm assuming that the Canadian Kid guy is the scammer/hacker pretending to be disconnected from everything. However, it's like completely idiotic to even consider the idea that someone would scam using a paypal that isn't theirs...on top of that, why would he come here out of nowhere?
So, I just banned that Canadian kid guy.
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:07:29 AM
Post by: Jollyman on June 21, 2008, 01:07:39 AM
I'm assuming that the Canadian Kid guy is the scammer/hacker pretending to be disconnected from everything. However, it's like completely idiotic to even consider the idea that someone would scam using a paypal that isn't theirs...on top of that, why would he come here out of nowhere?
So, I just banned that Canadian kid guy.[/quote]
It makes perfect sense. He does business on another forum with the kid finds out his paypal then uses it. He doesn't want the money to be connected to him because he is going to scam. HE was the one DOING the transfer of the cash. So all he had to do was sell the gold with a FAKE paypal then he says I will transfer it for you just let me login to your account and I will go to BH. He logs in and robs him blind and drops all his stuff. In no way is the paypal connected to him so no one suspects him.
Out of ALL the evidence against R2Pleasents you ban Canadian Kid that has no evidence against him? Wow you really are crooked. Just trying to protect him. I bet he pays you off everyone he scams.
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:13:13 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 01:19:34 AM
R2Pleasant hasn't been on this site since November, the IP logs prove it. He came on here yesterday when someone told him he was being accused of scamming. He WAS hacked. You cannot deny it, it is a fact. You can get Josetann to check the admin version of the IP logs for all I care.
The person that hacked R2Pleasant was using that disco paypal email to scam people, his TTG account gets banned. Then not long after a new account saying that that paypal is his signs up... Give me a reason someone would hack someone, and then use a third person's PayPal to scam? There isn't one. The paypal is his and he is trying to say his paypal was stolen to avoid the fact that the IP's match so I don't ban him.
Now everyone shut up, everything has been resolved, it's over... There is nothing more to argue about, and unless you have more evidence to prove the cold hard fact found in the IP logs of TTG, then stop talking.
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:24:33 AM
Is r2 banned?
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 01:27:00 AM
Is r2 banned?[/quote]
Yes, the account R2Pleasant is banned. But only because I cannot change passwords, the real R2Pleasant seems to still be trustworthy.
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:28:57 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 01:30:23 AM
Post by: Allanon on June 21, 2008, 01:31:47 AM
Jollyman and Kirk Hammet are idiots who fail to see blatant evidence about R2pleasant being hacked (IP changes) and then accusing JB Lee of scamming...
JB Lee is doing exactly what he should be doing...
Canadian Kid is the one who took his account and was using it to scam, simple as that.
The way I see it there is more evidence that Kirk Hammet scammed Madhatter, than there is that the real R2Pleasant scammed somebody
So shut up, think before you post, and get over that you were wrong
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:31:51 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 01:32:54 AM
No idea, I haven't used MSN in months.
Post by: Grantreid203 on June 21, 2008, 01:35:46 AM
So idk
Post by: Power-I on June 21, 2008, 02:01:39 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 02:09:42 AM
You'll need an admin for that, I'm just a mod, I can't compare IP's, just see what IP was used to post a specific post.
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So what you are saying is that the person that hacked R2Pleasant started scamming people by asking them to send money to a paypal that isn't his? Why would anyone do that...
"Yay, I just scammed this guy $75 but I can't have the money because it was sent to someone I don't know!"
Canadian Kid is obviously in on it. He admitted that the paypal is his, the paypal was used to scam. That's all you there is to know.
Post by: Power-I on June 21, 2008, 02:19:06 AM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 02:24:40 AM
Jollyman said that R2Pleasant used the paypal as a middle account, and then sent it to himself. Well, then if that is true, Canadian kid would be R2Pleasant... Either way, both accounts have been banned, so I don't see why people are still complaining...
Post by: Power-I on June 21, 2008, 08:54:57 AM
Post by: Canadian_kid99 on June 21, 2008, 11:31:15 AM
So thanks for abusing your mod powers and banning me when you obivously dont even have any clue as to whats going on... In any case I already explained what happened.
First: I know your right that its not the real R2, I never said it was myself, I know exactly who it was as far as sythe members go, was a guy named blackdragon69697.
Second: The reason that the money got sent to me, was becasue he was tryin to scam me at the same time he was scamming other people, he was tryin to work out a deal to buy my account that was for sale through sythe and was getting people to send the money to my paypal thinkin it was him so I could get it thinking he was paying me for the account, and then he would scam whoever it was, then in the end would of scammed me becasue people would of takin the money back.
Third: Check the damn IP's before you accusing it of involving me, your terrible at even lookin at the facts before you go shootin your mouth off.
Fourth: Obviously I'm going to say the paypal was mine you idiot becasue it was, your simply the most retarded mod I've probly ever met in my life. You just ban people simply when you don't have a damn clue whats going on, and you can ask kirk himself I talked to him, he knows I have nothin at all to do with this.
And if I haven't explained myself enough, heres pics of the convo with the guy that has been using my paypal. And its not tyler as in the guy that made this topic (Kirk) its a different one.
Him saying who he was on sythe
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Gregolls/msnconvo1.jpg)
Him asking for my PP:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Gregolls/msnconvo2.jpg)
Him "sending" 75 dollars through PP which was obviously Kirk's (even though I specficily told em not to send it)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Gregolls/msnconvo3.jpg)
Sayin he was gonna get me more apperently:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Gregolls/msnconvo4.jpg)
Him tryin to get me to send him the money rather then back to who originally owned it:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Gregolls/msnconvo5.jpg)
And if think this convo is fake I'll send you the entire log if you want it that bad, now if you still think I had something to do with it, then I don't know what the hell is wrong with you. So you can unban me now thanks. And like I said get a admin to check my IP on my other acc if you want that much proved too.
Post by: kirk hammett on June 21, 2008, 01:08:56 PM
If its just an imposter, ok idc as long as "its" off TTG, I was sort of convinced that is was R2 when someone said the "Dicso" email was his, but it turns out its not.....
Canadian Kid refunded my money so idc anymore. Close this for all I care
Thanks Allanon for that! I was trying to get your mod back. Nice to see you too.
Post by: Shibbiness on June 21, 2008, 03:14:45 PM
Jollyman and Kirk Hammet are idiots who fail to see blatant evidence about R2pleasant being hacked (IP changes) and then accusing JB Lee of scamming...
JB Lee is doing exactly what he should be doing...
Canadian Kid is the one who took his account and was using it to scam, simple as that.
The way I see it there is more evidence that Kirk Hammet scammed Madhatter, than there is that the real R2Pleasant scammed somebody
So shut up, think before you post, and get over that you were wrong[/quote]
lol
Post by: Stop Reading My Name on June 21, 2008, 05:33:07 PM
Post by: JB Lee on June 21, 2008, 08:07:02 PM
Now why didn't you say any of this in your first three posts in this topic? All you said was this "tyler" person was scamming people and having it sent to your paypal using your runescape account as well. Sounds exactly like you were trying to pretend you were someone else so you could continue using TTG, it happens almost daily.
So, what have we concluded?
R2Pleasant was hacked and is innocent, I was right. Canadian Kid appears to be innocent, I was wrong.
So...the scammer/hacker gets away and no one gets banned...what a productive 2 days...
/closed