Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:40:32 AM
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4807/runescapegm9.jpg)
But it took me from morning all the way until the 10pm to find out if hes received it or not. It should be hes own responsibility to tell me, but what happened after that is a complete mystery for me. He said he'll talk to me in 30 minutes which would make it 11:15pm which I waited and he didnt come back on. Infact I was on until 00:00. So today he came on MSN but no response. So I thought fair enough he maybe busy or he may have forgotten. So I've emailed him details about my runescape account and rules he must follow while training like store all raw materials within the bank dont sell anything etc. But he still hasnt logged in, what I'm thinking about doing is sending him a letter or two if he doesnt respond or do anything by sunday. Hopefully I'll get a refund if he doesnt train my account by sunday because I've done my part now waiting for him to do hes part. In the extreme case he doesnt pay I'll one go to hes house or two I'll take legal action as this is pure theft if he doesnt do hes part. Any ideas whats going on or anything or any contact phone number I can call him on?
Post by: eloyman on January 17, 2009, 10:44:32 AM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
Well I live in Birmingham and he lives in northampton. But I orignally wanted training from you eloyman. If your possible in getting me the refund I'll be happily in getting training from you. But the only problem is I cant use paypal at the moment. Hopefully once I've gotten the refund I'll be able to ... unless he trains the account. The distance between my house and hes house is: 61.3 miles – about 1 hour 11 mins. Im just hoping for the best... but I joined this forum hoping that there will be less scams and users with more posts will be more kosher.
Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 11:22:30 AM
Heres an example of some of the stress i get and what happens to me while trying to contact sonic... it would be better speaking to a wall because at least I would not it was there still.
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/737/runescape2ul7.jpg)
Post by: Kaosune on January 17, 2009, 11:24:45 AM
I'll be honest
the same thing happened to me with a guy known as Account Sales/Depressed Lover
and he turned out to scam the [censored] out of me
I'm not saying he's scammed you, because i have no proof, but be careful
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Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Post by: eloyman on January 17, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
Post by: eloyman on January 17, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 02:52:49 PM
Theft (Amendment) Act 1996
1996 CHAPTER 62
ARRANGEMENT OF SECTIONS
An Act to amend the Theft Act 1968 and the Theft Act 1978; and for connected purposes.
[18th December 1996]
Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:"
1 Obtaining a money transfer by deception
(1) After section 15 of the [1968 c. 60.] Theft Act 1968 insert"
“15A Obtaining a money transfer by deception
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if by any deception he dishonestly obtains a money transfer for himself or another.
(2) A money transfer occurs when"
(a) a debit is made to one account,
(b ) a credit is made to another, and
© the credit results from the debit or the debit results from the credit.
(3) References to a credit and to a debit are to a credit of an amount of money and to a debit of an amount of money.
(4) It is immaterial (in particular)"
(a) whether the amount credited is the same as the amount debited;
(b ) whether the money transfer is effected on presentment of a cheque or by another method;
© whether any delay occurs in the process by which the money transfer is effected;
(d) whether any intermediate credits or debits are made in the course of the money transfer;
(e) whether either of the accounts is overdrawn before or after the money transfer is effected.
(5) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
The one I have underlined is the exact legislation he is going against, and he already owes another member of The Tech Guide Forum.
Post by: Pyro Raccoon on January 17, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
If you take legal action, you recognize yourself amongst the court. You will have to tell the WHOLE truth about anything they ask you. The court could very well then summon Jagex to court to verify. When you register on runescape, you accept the terms and conditions, which is a contract... You are bound to Jagex' rule by CONTRACT. This will be highly likely seeing as the both of you are in the U.K. and so is Jagex. The only outcome you'll get from taking legal action against him, is the following:
Sonic will be:
Prosecuted for theft (both from you and jagex)
Prosecuted for fraud
Sued for breaking a contract
Prosecuted for misadvertisement
You will be:
Prosecuted for theft (from jagex)
Prosecuted for fraud
Sued for breaking a contract
This will go on your permanent criminal record as well.
but don't worry.... Sonic is a trustworthy guy.
Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
If you take legal action, you recognize yourself amongst the court. You will have to tell the WHOLE truth about anything they ask you. The court could very well then summon Jagex to court to verify. When you register on runescape, you accept the terms and conditions, which is a contract... You are bound to Jagex' rule by CONTRACT. This will be highly likely seeing as the both of you are in the U.K. and so is Jagex. The only outcome you'll get from taking legal action against him, is the following:
Sonic will be:
Prosecuted for theft (both from you and jagex)
Prosecuted for fraud
Sued for breaking a contract
Prosecuted for misadvertisement
You will be:
Prosecuted for theft (from jagex)
Prosecuted for fraud
Sued for breaking a contract
This will go on your permanent criminal record as well.
but don't worry.... Sonic is a trustworthy guy.[/quote]
We'll see how it goes... but thats as a last resukt 0-- but no i havent fraud him.
Post by: Trainer24 on January 17, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 17, 2009, 06:28:24 PM
But the weird thing of it all was that I was going to give him £40 additonal pounds for training my account but hes decided to scam or not respond on £20 which is very weird from even him. I hope it all goes well but if it doesnt those who have been scammed will get hes FULL UK ADDRESS so they can speak or write to him personally like I will. Going to write to him and then deal with it myself if nothing happens.
Post by: Pyro Raccoon on January 18, 2009, 04:43:23 AM
You haven't fraud him but you have committed a fraud by breaking Jagex' contract. As for the proof,
(http://i43.tinypic.com/jv4z8w.jpg)
If it is close within their ability, jagex can take legal action because anything to do with runescape whether it be your account, money or items, it belongs to jagex. If they find it possible, they can prosecute you for selling their property without any authorization. This goes the same for training of accounts.
Post by: shell-shocker on January 18, 2009, 08:14:28 AM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/jv4z8w.jpg)
If it is close within their ability, jagex can take legal action because anything to do with runescape whether it be your account, money or items, it belongs to jagex. If they find it possible, they can prosecute you for selling their property without any authorization. This goes the same for training of accounts.[/quote]
Im paying him to play and hes deciding to play and train my account - so yes it remains the property of jagex but then everything on this forum as in activity is illegal so I dont see why your trying to back him up.
Post by: Pyro Raccoon on January 18, 2009, 05:27:27 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 19, 2009, 12:02:07 PM
I'd guess I was more paranoid then anything... or maybe I wasn't but I guess our voices shared the same message that things would get done. And I hope this is the real thing but sonic said he had internet issues the last past days so he wasnt able to contact me or anyone else. So hopefully he will be able to service my account. I'd like to give a special thanks to Pyro Raccoon and Eloyman and to all those viewed the topic!
Heres the keystone message today where he said hes gonna do it... Note: I was really P***ed off at this time thinking he was gonna say "scammed" or something.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1125/runescape3rg0.jpg)
Post by: Mikester on January 19, 2009, 01:33:38 PM
Post by: Sonic. on January 22, 2009, 03:54:06 AM
/ohmy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':o\' />and he wants to 80+ skills so i cant do that sorry.
And mike havent been on for same reaosn as shell
Post by: Mikester on January 22, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 23, 2009, 07:54:40 AM
I've spoken to Sonic we agreed that he must start the work before the 25th. The day the training must be completed for the next installment is still a unknown factor. But mikester try to email him because its quiet difficult in trying to get hold of him for some reason.
Post by: death_angel07 on January 26, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
Post by: Kaosune on January 26, 2009, 08:09:55 AM
Post by: shell-shocker on January 27, 2009, 04:23:35 PM
If anybody wants information regarding sonics personal information including school he goes to, address or anything else including his girlfriend! Which I all have add me on msn so I can give it to you. I've been scammed by sonic or so he thinks and the funny thing is hes going to get a nasty supprise at hes school very soon if he doesnt pay up. MSN: [email protected]
When you add me please email me as well to say why you added me lol - coz I use this email for other things.
Post by: Sonic. on January 29, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
Post by: death_angel07 on January 29, 2009, 06:44:01 PM
Post by: Kaosune on January 30, 2009, 12:44:51 PM
don't whine about it, you lost it
lmfao
Post by: Sonic. on February 01, 2009, 04:54:38 PM
Post by: death_angel07 on February 02, 2009, 08:51:44 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on February 04, 2009, 10:52:17 AM
Hey all... ok Ive sent Sonic my final letter which has the address to pay the money to and even with the letter preposted. The money will be going to a third person who will verify that he has paid it. If this all goes well I hope that death angel07's issue is also solved. If thats not solved hopefully I'll be able to help you resolve it.
Post by: Sonic. on February 04, 2009, 05:54:02 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on February 05, 2009, 09:36:42 AM
kk ermm is it possible in getting the recorded post number so I can track it?
Post by: Kaosune on February 05, 2009, 06:09:50 PM
you've logged on my main, haven't you?
If you've forgotten it, it's got 87 fish, so 71 is not much of a big deal
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Post by: death_angel07 on February 05, 2009, 07:57:19 PM
Post by: shell-shocker on February 17, 2009, 06:14:40 AM
Hey all its been a while I've been very busy. But it looks like he hasn't send the money so I've been forced to show reveal hes address:
George pavlou
4 kingswell road
kingsthorpe
northampton
NN2 6QB
Mobile according to him is: 07541647443
School website is: http://www.campion.northants.sch.uk (http://\"http://www.campion.northants.sch.uk\") <-- so hey even if hes address is wrong which it isnt u can catch him here.
He's 14 years old and heres a pic of him:
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3751/campionmg2.jpg)
Post by: death_angel07 on February 17, 2009, 10:53:15 PM