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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / Phoenixsurf
« on: April 21, 2006, 12:20:16 AM »
Earn over 2700$ per month with this program, just 15 clicks a day is all whats needed!

http://www.phoenixsurf.com/?ref=5318

This is a manual surf. You purchase advertising for any website that you want to promote. You browse other members websites everyday and get paid to do so. All you have to do is surf at least 15 pages a day (you must view each page for at least 15 seconds, so in total it only takes 3min45 sec of your time per day). No recruiting, no selling, nothing else is required of you than your daily surfing. It is NOT an investment. You pay for service and get paid for providing services..

Purchasing advertising is also called upgrading. Each of your upgrade unit lasts for 8 days. When an upgrade is active, each day you surf at least 15 pages, you will earn 15% of the amount of your active upgrades. You can have a maximum of 2 upgrades at the same time. The total of the 2 upgrades must NOT exceed 6000$.
Each upgrade unit costs 8$, and that is also the minimum to get started.

It is NOT 120% in 8 days. This is simply marketing speech. At the end of your 8 days, you will see 120% of your upgrade amount on your account balance. There are 2 ways to get your money out.

1-Fasttrack: request a special payment in 24-48 hours, at a small % cost. Worst case, you earn 115% in 10 days (8 earning days + 48h) Note that this feature is not implemented yet
2-Normal: dont do anything and wait for an automatic payment. The delay is 7 business days. Worst case, you earn 120% in 19 days (8 earning days + 7 business days + 2 weekends).

When you have the max amount of upgrades (6000$ or 750 units), the minimum that you will earn is 90$ USD of pure profit per day! 6000$ * 1.15 / 10 = 90$ Right now though it is only 63.16$ a day (6000$ * 1.20 - 6000)/19 = 63.16$ Note that this is the worse case (full 7 business days), hence the minimum you will earn. Weve seen reports of people paid in only 8 hours! In that case your daily profits are even higher than with Fastrack above, more than 90$ a day... There is no maximum, because each person you recruit gives you a 8% referral commission bonus. Meaning each time a person that you recruit purchase an upgrade, 8% of that amount will go straight to your account. The possibilites are limitless! Note that this is NOT a pyramid because there is only 1 level of referrals (only direct referrals)

At the moment, the only payment processor they use is E-gold. Which is similar to Paypal, just a bit more complicated.

A few notes:

1- Only one account allowed per person. Meaning each account must have a different Name & email. ALSO, NO USING TWO ACCOUNTS PER IP ADDRESS

2- Dont forget to sign up for their forums as well. I signed up for their support center as well, but I dont like the fact that they ask for your home address, postal code and phone number there... Maybe its best to sign up only when you need support.

3- When visiting their forums, the most useful section is the General Discussion & Suggestions one, because that is the ONLY section where all the new announcements are made

4- Just need to upgrade before you surf. 15 sites a day minimum, 30 sites max, only 15 seconds per site.

5- Nothing is ever guaranteed in this life. I suggest that you reupgrade only your profits after the first cashout. That way, no matter what happens, you cannot lose. http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />

This site have grown to over 20000 members in just over one month! I definitely think it is here to stay. You can test it out just by signing up below, signing up is free.

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / Most reliable autosurf: Compactsurfing
« on: April 21, 2006, 12:17:12 AM »
Compactsurfing: 117% in 9 days, payout within 24 hours (48h max)
http://www.compactsurfing.com/index.php?ref=494

Some news item from Compactsurfing, judge for yourself.  =D

Quote
Dear Compact Surfing Members,

We are very happy to announce that with your help we have reached 1500 members and $100,000 from upgrades in the last 15 days. As always, we are here all weekend working hard to ensure the success of our network, as well as our members. Today is a great day, because weve started the process of
revising our entire network; we are planning to change the format, as well as improve grammar and punctuation.

Here is an interview that will be posted very soon when hyipinvestments website is up and running. For those of you who are interested, here is the Q&A.

Q: Hello. Whats the name of the person whos going to be answering the
questions?

A: Hello. My name is Luuk Hendriks.

Q: Whats your position in the program?

A: I am one of the admins of Compact Surfing / Compact Network / Altus
Financial Services, Inc.

Q: How many people are involved in running the program, and what are their
names?

A: For now we are being run by nine people:

Admins: Myself, Nicholas, Olivia
Designer: Peter
Programmer: Steve
Account Manager: Josh
Forum Moderator and Representative: Bryce
We also have an IT and Offshore Advisor.

Q: Where are you based?

A: The Republic of Panama.

Q: Are you a registered company?

A: Yes, the name of the company is Altus Financial Services, Inc.

Q: Where is the company registered?

A: It is registered in Panama.

Q: Can we have a look at your incorporation documents?

A: Yes, they are published on our website. You can take a look here:
http://compactnetwork.com/documents

If you need further documentation, were more than happy to provide it. We
have also Spanish versions of all these documents; they are notarized or
with apostille.

Q: Do you have a real office?

A: Yes we do. We welcome everyone to come visit us.

Q: Whats your office address?

A: The Century Tower
20th Floor, Suite 2007
Avenida Ricardo J. Alfaro
Panama City, Republic of Panama

Q: Can investors visit your office, or meet with you somewhere else?

A: They can meet with a representative of Altus Financial Services, Inc.

Q: What support options do you offer?

A: We offer three phone lines, a dedicated fax number, support center, and
e-mail. We are planning on running a ticket system in the very near future.
We have several addresses that you can mail as us at, too.

Q: When did the program launch?

A: On March 4th, 2006.

Q: Why do you feel the need to have a referral incentive program?

A: Its very simple: we would like to attract more people to join our program. We understand the advertising which our members will be doing is going to boost our networks websites to a higher business level. The referral program will help all these happy members to earn, while they are
sharing their success with us and their friends.

Q: Do you use free or paid web hosting?

A: We have a very powerful dedicated server with SSL and DDOS protection.

Q: What do you think sets your program apart from all the other
opportunities out there?

A: We are building a vast network of websites which offer different and useful services. In addition, our own payment processor CompactPay will be up in less than 30 days.

Q: What do you think about the longevity of your program?

A: We are planning to open at least two more websites to add to our expanding network in the next couple of months. We are hopeful that well stick around for quite a while. We understand that nothing is guaranteed in this world, but through our commitment we anticipate long-term success. We
hope to work at least a few years, allowing hundreds of thousand people to earn from and use our services.

Q: What steps have been taken to secure members funds?

A: First, we have several server protections to prevent our account from being hacked. We have DDOS, SSL, and the best firewalls installed on our
dedicated server. Our funds are secured in offshore banks. We dont use
unknown, unlicensed or unproven payment processors that could bring down our
business. (Who could forget the StormPay and EMO fiasco?)

Q: How do you generate the returns for your investors?

A: We are generating the returns from several different activities. We are
offering many different kinds of services; we are selling many different
kinds of products. Just check our network website at
http://www.compactnetwork.com to see for yourself. And last but certainly
not least: advertising.

Q: If youre involved in several business/financial activities, how is your
portfolio structured?

A: We use the member upgrade funds to advertise, build websites and develop different kinds of services.

Q: Have you ever had late payments?

A: No, for now everything is running smoothly. We are paying in less than 24 hours.

Q: How large is your current capital?

A: We believe in anonymity. We dont divulge such vital information, as we dont want the wrong people being knowledgeable of such matters.

Q: Have you established a reserve fund?

A: Yes, we have a reserve fund in place.

Q: What plans do you have for the future of your program?

A: To further develop our network. Open more websites. And of course: to be
number one.

Q: Are you planning on closing your program to new investors at any time?

A: We dont have any intention of closing our program to new members.

Q: Tell me a few reasons to join your program.

A: Dont join if you dont want to. Our goal here isnt to ask you to join; you have to decide for yourself. It all depends on if you like our network, how we conduct our business, and if you feel comfortable with our program.

Q: Anything you wish add?

A: We hope the autosurf business arena will become more stable with time. We have seen a lot of scammers, cheaters and bad companies around. We want to bring credibility the traffic exchange industry.

Thank you for the answering our questions. We hope to see your program
around for a long time!

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We have completed all payments up to date.

If you have a payment request that hasnt been paid yet, please use the following link to contact us: http://www.compactsurfing.com/contact.php

To ensure that your payment is always on time please do the following:
1. Log on to your Compact Surfing account.
2. Click on Edit Account Details on the main page, and check to make sure
your E-Gold number is there, and that it is correct.

3. If youve received payment and you would like to support us, you can vote for us at these autosurf monitors to help us grow faster:
http://www.investdaddy.com/vote_view.php?id=659
http://www.hotsurfs.com/?a=details&lid=443
http://www.autosurfs.net/index.php?page=program&id=1574
http://www.autosurfmonitor.com/index.php?a=details&lid=1868
http://www.autosurfextreme.com/?a=details&lid=302
http://surfmonitors.com/index.php?a=details&lid=143
http://www.hyip-assistant.com/index.php?mod=details&id=360
http://surfing-navigator.com/rate.php?id=73#form

And remember to register at our network forum http://www.compactforum.com to
discuss with other members your personal insights and suggestions on how to
improve our developing network.

Sincerely,
The Whole Team


Greetings Compact Surfing Members,

We are sure you wonder where our company is located and are we real. We email you to answer all these questions.

Our network websites are managed under the company name Altus Financial Services Inc.

Incorporation:
The Company was incorporated in the Republic of Panama on the 4-th day of January 2006, with Registration Number 17452, the Public Registry number is File 512478, Document 889735, Public Deed no. 17452.

The directors of the Company are Isis del Carmen Lara G, Daniel Isaac Chi and Aknia Chi Pardo.

It was noted that the start Share Capital of the Company is $10,000 divided into 100 shares of $100 each.
Here we attached a screenshots for due dilligence:
http://compactnetwork.com/documents/shares.gif
http://compactnetwork.com/documents/incorporation.gif

Altus is licensed financial company !!!
We got one of the most important license, we have Commercial License Type A, so we can operate all our activities legal plus: online payment processor (compactpay.com) , debit cards marketing and management (compactdebitcards.com) , bullion trading.
I attached a screenshot of the license here:
http://compactnetwork.com/documents/license.gif

Now some information about our offices:
At this office you can visit a representative of our company:

Altus Financial Services Inc.
The Century Tower
20th Floor, Suite 2007
Avenida Ricardo J. Alfaro
Panama City, Republic of Panama

You can mail us also at:

Altus Financial Services Inc.
700 Central Avenue
Apdo. 409-2400
Desamparados
San Jose, Costa Rica

Altus Financial Services Inc.
Ricardo Arias Avenue, Advance Tower, Floor 11th Office B
Panama City, Republic of Panama

Altus Financial Services Inc.
PO Box 2411-0834, Panama City, Panama

Please use the street addresses for couriers only and the PO Box for regular mails only. The first one you can use for both.

If you want to contact us:
Toll free: +1.800.650.7089
USA phone line: +1.213.985.1909
Liechtenstein phone line: +423.66300.9578
Fax +507.264.6361

Within 5 days you will be able to upgrade your compact surfing account via Bank wire and we hope to get the compactpay script in 15 days so we can open our online payment processor.

May be you wonder what is Altus ?
Altus is Latin for “higher” as in, we hold ourselves to a higher standard of performance.

Best Regards,
The Whole Team
Altus Financial Services Inc.
http://www.compactnetwork.com

... Less than 5 days later ... http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />

Hello everyone,

1. We have a great news for you. From today on you can upgrade via bank wire. We are the first autosurf ever where you can upgrade via bank

wire directly.
The minimum is 100 Units (1000 USD). If you want to upgrade please login your account and click the banner in your account menu.
https://www.compactsurfing.com/members/bank.php

2. We have completed all payments to these who requeses such today.

If you have request which isnt paid please use the following link to contact with us:
(http://www.compactsurfing.com/contact.php).

To ensure that your payment is always on time please do the following:
1) Log in your Compact Surfing account.
2) Click on Edit Account Details within the main page, check to make sure your e-gold number there.

3. If you got a payment and you want to support us, you can vote for us in these autosurf monitors to help us grow faster,
http://surfing-navigator.com/rate.php?id=73#form
http://www.surfratings.com/?a=details&lid=545
http://www.hyip-navigator.com/
http://www.surfratings.com/?a=details&lid=545#vote
http://www.investdaddy.com/vote_view.php?id=659
http://www.autosurfmonitor.com/index.php?a=details&lid=1868
http://surfmonitors.com/index.php?a=details&lid=143
http://www.hotsurfs.com/?a=details&lid=443

and register in our network forum:
http://www.compactforum.com   to discuss with other members your personal opinion and suggestions how to improve our network.

4. Upgrades via EMO.
We are still waiting EMO to stop their DOSS atacks so we can get our account verified and we can start accepting EMO upgrades.


Thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
Olivia, Luuk and Nicholas

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / Phoenixsurf
« on: March 02, 2006, 12:22:59 PM »
This new autosurf have grown to over 5000 members in not even 2 weeks!

The first wave of payments have come through, there were problems with 32 accts but it's now fixed.  They also replied to the points made by Leo on his drunkonlife website and many others about the bad history one of their "consulting partner".  I kinda agree with them on that, you need all the friends you can get, as long as they're only in for consultation (and that they don't work for the competition lol).

A few notes:

1- Only one account allowed per person. BUT they check by Name & email, NOT IP. No more IP issues for surfing or signing up http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />

2- Just like 12dp you need to upgrade before you surf.  15 sites a day minimum, 30 sites max, only 15 seconds per site.

3- Fast track option to get payment in 48 hours instead of 7 business days, at a cost of 5%.  I will be upgrading every 5 days and using this feature.

4- Max of 2 upgrades just like 12dp, but you cannot upgrade 2 times in one day, just once.

5- Don't forget to sign up for their forums as well. I signed up for their support center as well (similar to 12dp ticket system), but I don't like the fact that they ask for your home address, postal code and phone number there...  Maybe it's best to sign up only when you need support.

6- They have struck a deal with Anygoldnow.
Buy Page: https://www.goldexchanges.net/NMEPhoenix.html
Sell Page: https://www.goldexchanges.net/NMEPhoenixSell.html

7- Be careful, take your capital out asap.  One cycle is only 10 days with the Fasttrack option.

I think a 10 days window is a very good bet atm.  We also have to think in terms of startup cost vs longevity.  The way I sees it, phoenixsurf put it way too much effort, time and staff into this to justify just a short-term grab & run.  Forums, ticket system, legal counsel, moving offshore, everything is setup for the long term.  It could just be smoke and mirrors of course, but even then it doesn't justify the conference calls and all the lengthy posts etc.

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / The complete 12dailypro guide, version 4!
« on: February 03, 2006, 11:59:22 AM »
This guide (version 4) is now outdated. Stormpay definitely out, EMO upgrading is (temporarily) disabled. Do your own research, and read the official 12dp news here:
http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthread.php?t=8628&page=2

Also see this blog for daily developments (not my website):
http://www.drunkonlife.com/Daily-Blog.html

At the time of this writing, my advice is to wait and see what happens. I may not have the time to update this thread again, so please keep yourself informed before making decisions. Things are changing very quickly atm. Once again, my guide is outdated, use it at your own risk.

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / The complete 12dailypro guide, version 4!
« on: January 31, 2006, 04:18:46 PM »
If you are a not a 12dp member, you can read all the latest news here all in one thread, without any interference. http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />
http://www.thehyipforum.com/message8...test-news.html

My guide is now outdated yet again, guess I will have to rewrite it when the new program starts... EMO is no longer accepted until further notice, only Stormpay at the moment.

Whenever there is some major change like this, I will post on my website first, then reply later on the forums.

Peace out.

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / The complete 12dailypro guide, version 4!
« on: January 26, 2006, 02:58:51 PM »
Guys, here is a very good site that I read everyday for news. (not mine)
http://www.drunkonlife.com/Daily-Blog.html

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / The complete 12dailypro guide, version 4!
« on: January 24, 2006, 08:46:34 PM »
This guide is also available in nice PDF format with pictures at http://www.tams.be

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FIRST CONTACT
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This is my 12dailypro guide version 4, I tried to make it as complete, useful and straight to the point as possible.  No marketing speech in here. I spent 10 hours a day researching this stuff for a week before I jumped in and I never stopped researching since. I hope this guide will save you the many hundreds hours of tedious Google crawling and forums hopping that I had to go through. I have already made A LOT of money with this thing.  You can do it too!  Here we go…
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=130537
This is my referral link; it doesn’t do anything special until you sign-up.  So feel free to browse around the site for all the juicy details, here’s a little summary:

1- 12dp is an autosurf , you are paid for autosurfing at least 12 sites per day.  Autosurfing is a fully automatic process; a new site is automatically loaded every 25 seconds. All you have to do everyday is to login your account then click on the “Start Surfing” button, then let it run 5 minutes so that 12 sites passes by, that’s it!  Whatever amount of money you put in (by purchasing a membership), you get 144% of that amount back after 23 days MAX (12 earning days + 7 week days + 2 weekends).  The most likely scenario is 19 days (12 days + 5 week days + 1 weekend).  For example, do a 6$ upgrade, autosurf 12 days, wait about a week, get back 8.64$.  That’s it, you don’t have to recruit anyone, sell anything or do any other kind of work.  There is no catch. So far, the only way I’ve seen that you can lose money is by being hacked, by forgetting to autosurf at least 4 days out of 12 (you will still earn 96%) or by breaking the rules (cheating) and getting caught.

2- Putting money in (adding to your membership level) is also referred to as upgrading.  You can only upgrade by EMO or Stormpay. Those two are online payment processors and the money in those is as real as the one in your pockets =P.  Think of them as a variation of the well-known payment processor Paypal.  You upgrade by EMO, you get paid to EMO.  If you upgrade with Stormpay, you get paid to your Stormpay account.

3- Each membership unit costs 6$. The minimum membership is 6$ (1 unit) and the maximum is 6000$ (1000 units).You can have a maximum of 2 simultaneous upgrades, but the sum of the 2 upgrades (which determines your membership level) still must not be over 6000$.  Everything else including registration is totally free.  12dp will never charge you any kind of fees.

Just take a look at this link to have a rough idea what kind of profit you could be making:
http://www.teamrequest.com/12calc/
Note that this calculator does not take into account the fact that you can have 2 upgrades at the same time and many other details.  Do not rely on it for accurate predictions.  In fact, your profits will be much greater than what is shown on this calculator if you follow my guide  http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />
If you are new at this whole autosurf thing, I bet you must be shaking all over right now. =P Hang in there! Take a deep breath, start a relaxing MP3 or something.
This is only the intro… ;-)


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DUE DILIGENCE (DD)
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“Hahaha, another easy money making scheme. Yeah right.  You won’t get me that easy.”  
That’s what I thought at first, and I forgot all about 12dp until someone I knew told me he had big money in it, and that he was earning thousands with it.
“A mind is just like a parachute, it only works when open.”  
So let’s keep our mind open and tackle this thing the most objective way possible…
Haha, whatever, let’s rather just cut through all the nonsense and ask our lord the venerable Mr. Google right away. =)  So go ahead and Google for all the nasty combinations you can find:   12dp scam, scammers, rip-off, cheat, scheme, pyramid, ponzi, lies, thieves, fake, dirty, smelly socks…  whatever you can think of!  You will be pleasantly surprised for the most part.  Save the few bad stuff you find for later, when you become a 12dp expert you will realize that they are just empty statements, outright lies or just a valid opinion with little consequences  =)  Especially if they come from a particular mass spammer…*cough* PN *cough* (wink wink)

These are the main results of my own research:

DD check by the OIC (the guy who wrote this is also a long time 12dp member, so he might not be 100% impartial, but he is well respected because of his experience in this kind of stuff)
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r50461-.html

Lifeclicks LLC, the parent company of 12dailypro, is a legally registered corporation on the State of North Carolina website:
http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporati...PitemId=7820076

Where does the money come from?
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r49192-.html (12dp business model explained by Charis)
http://talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47322&page=4 (smart discussion)

Charis (owner of 12dp) chat log:
http://talkgold.com/forum/r48174-.html

About Ponzi Nemesis:
http://talkgold.com/forum/r44957-.html

Payment proof:
http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=2392.0
http://forums.12dailypro.com/smf/index.php?topic=16187.0
http://talkgold.com/forum/r51585-.html

Too late to join?
http://talkgold.com/forum/r52053-.html (review of 2005, plans for 2006)
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_....12dailypro.com
Contact me if you want additional bookmarks to aid you in your research, I can also send you my own payment proofs. I personally know 3 other guys in Montreal (my city) who are now making a 4 digits monthly income with this program, they have already recovered their capital and are now well into profits.

Let’s conclude this section with some facts:

•   12dp have been keeping all their promises since they started on May 11th 2005. Technical issues and circumstances outside their control aside, there was never a single late payment so far. They have survived server moves, egold down time, hackers, DDOS attacks, cheater rings, and spammers. Every difficulty they faced have been dealt with swiftly and with the utmost professionalism.  12dp also regularly communicate with members via announcements regarding any difficulty (mostly technical issues) they are facing, what they are doing about it and why.  Personally, this is the part of their business I like the most.  Their ability to climb, jump, sidestep or obliterate anything on their way is simply amazing.

•   In the month of December, 12dp organized a big Christmas Charities drawing.  Every advertisement click you purchased gave you one ticket for the drawing. Part of the profits went to 12 well-known charities in the US. There were 12 prizes to be won, ranging from a 3 month Netflix subscript to a brand new car worth 17000$.  The event is now over and all prizes have been rightfully claimed.

•   Here are some numbers I found out from various sources. They do not publish stats for obvious reasons.  [In fact, if you find a site with (fake) stats on it, be on your guard.]  Over 220 000 members as of today (January 4th 2006), this is based on the latest ID numbers.  There are 70% upgraded members (Charis says so). 10 million dollars inflow per day (source unverified).  So, according to my calculations, the average upgrade of a 12dp member is around 492$. This means that people will keep upgrading because they are nowhere near the maximum allowed yet… ;-)  In theory, by only “cycling funds” the program will be able to survive quite a while.  In reality though, 12dp do have many other income streams other than memberships as proven in the links above.  Dividing the profit of 44% by the average delay of 19 days, you get a daily ROI of only 2.31%.  Add that to the fact that most people just keep re-upgrading the whole amount (after maybe a small initial cashout), then you see how the program sustainability can be assured.  Of course, if everyone cashout at the exact same time, the whole thing collapses.  But then your banks work pretty much the same way, don’t they? =)

•   Charis Johnson, owner of 12dailypro, donated US $21,500 to The Red Cross for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. This have been verified by calling the North Carolina branch of the Red Cross, and I also have a copy of the donation receipt.

Of course, past performance is no guarantee of the future, but hey, what else can you rely on?  With that said, let's keep rolling.


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GETTING STARTED
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0a-Catch me on MSN and I will hold your hand throughout the whole process

0b-Choose your payment processor: EMO or Stormpay. This is important since there is no direct way to convert one to the other.  EMO is clearly the superior choice.  Some of you might have heard about e-gold.  That is history, 12dp have stopped accepting e-gold on Jan. 6th 2006.  So simply IGNORE everything you read about egold, there is still much outdated info floating around on the Net.  If you still want to know more about Egold (still useful for other programs), just ask me.

EMO
•   No fees to send from EMO account balance
•   NO RECEIVE FEE!!
•   Funding by Credit Card (CC) at 6%
•   Funding & buying Egold at 4%, min. fee is 5$ (E-bullion also available)
•   EMO are like checks that you can print and cash out at the bank (FAQ #13)
•   Debit Card for withdrawals available
•   No chargebacks, all transactions are final
•   No referrals system
•   Very strict verification process requiring you to upload personal documents (takes 5 minutes to a max  
         of 10 business days to be verified, see step #1 for tricks how to get verified instantly)
•   Many features exclusive to US residents
•   With Secure Card, in theory unhackable unless they break in to your house and knows where you hid the little paper…

Stormpay
•   No fees to send from Stormpay account balance
•   6.9% + 0.69$ USD to receive, 2.9% + 0.39$ USD if NETIBA certified
•   Instant funding through Credit Card or Bank Account at 3%
•   Does not accept e-gold
•   No fees to cashout by check or direct to bank account
•   Debit Card for withdrawals available
•   Chargebacks are possible (reversed transaction)
•   Five-levels deep referrals system
•   No verification required, but need NETIBA certification (which costs 20$/year) for lower fees
•   Must be 18 years or older to sign-up (12dp & EMO don’t have age restrictions)

Your money   <------------>    EMO       <<=====>>    12dailypro
Your money   <------------>   Stormpay   <<=====>>    12dailypro

The <<==>> part is where most of the money flow takes place.  As you can see, the receive fee and the payment delays are by far the most important statistics.  After the first cycle, you will receive payments from 12dp about every week, while you will only typically fund some EMO in the beginning and withdraw for cash much later.  The Stormpay receive fees will make a big dent in your profits in the long run compared to EMO, which have no receive fee.

As far as I know (afaik), EMO accounts have never been hacked or compromised in anyway, their Secure Card feature is very good. Stormpay is also secure thanks to their chargeback feature (not attractive for hackers). Also, EMO is a well established corporation, while Stormpay is a one-man type company, as you can see in the Google Earth pictures below:

Stormpay & NETIBA:
http://server2.ihostphotos.com/show.php?id=20493
http://www.mystormpaylawsuit.com/

I personally find the fact that NETIBA & Stormpay are run by the same person very disturbing. The only advantage of Stormpay over EMO in my humble opinion (imho) is their instant start-up time (no verification required, thus no delay).  So if you are in a big hurry or just want to do a 6$ test spend or have some trouble with EMO verification, then Stormpay is a good alternative…  The final choice is yours.  You can even use both at the same time (one for each upgrade).

If you choose Stormpay, just open an account then add a credit card and/or a bank account and you are done.

http://www.stormpay.com/?2583554
This is my referral link; I will earn a few cents each time you make a transaction, at no cost to you.  

If you choose EMO, keep reading.  =)

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1- Setting up an EMO account

https://www.emocorp.com/s/template/GetStarted.vm
https://www.emocorp.com/s/template/SubmitMe....vm/faqsize/all
https://www.emocorp.com/s/template/Fees.vm

Once you have done the signup (the easy part =P), decide which level of verification you need.
•   No verification:  send & receive EMO directly (online) with no fees
•   Basic Level: fund with cash deposits, check, money orders, bank wires, Stored Value Card, e-gold, e-bullion.  Print an EMO order (take money out) up to $25000
•   Credit Card Level: basic level + fund with a VISA/Mastercard credit card (6%)
•   Bank Account Level: basic level + ACH bank transfers directly to/from an US bank account.  (You don’t need this level for bank wires, basic level is enough.)

As you can see, everyone needs at least Basic Level verification. Credit card and e-currency funding are the only two instantaneous ways of getting some EMO.

Once you have chosen the level you need, login your EMO account then click on “Verification”.  You now must upload some personal documents.  Note that anything you upload must have YOUR name on it.  Utility bills must have both your name & address on it.  If you don’t have a utility bill to your name, you can substitute that with something else such as a bank statement:
https://www.emocorp.com/s/template/SubmitMe.../faqsize/all#34

Ok so when ready use a scanner or a digital camera to capture the docs and save the pictures on your PC.  Now convert those pictures to PDF format (optional, but PDF are harder to falsify, so your documents will be processed quicker).  Make sure each file is less than 2 Megabytes.  Upload one file after each other; make sure they are clear and readable. Once you upload all the required docs, it should say “Ready for Processing”. Now you just have to wait for it to become “Approved”.  Aight so let’s wait a bit, shall we… count 1 to 10…  Count 10 to 100 now…  Already done? How about counting 10000 backwards?  Ok forward this time… weehee such fun..  Count some more…   hehe  tired of waiting yet?  Ok no more messing around, just pick up the phone and call this number:  1-877-876-6639   Once you hear the agent voice, thank your lucky star because he will verify you instantly!

Trick for US residents to be verified in 5 minutes (no call needed):
Submit your Driver License, and then submit one utility bill (your name & address must be on it).  After those 2 documents have been submitted, you should be able to start the auto-verification process immediately.  You only have one chance at this, so be vigilant.  They will ask for your Date of Birth and 4 digits of your Social Security Number.  If there's enough info in your credit report, you will be asked questions from your credit history.  Answer all the questions right and you are done with the verification!
Once you get the “Approved” status, depending on what you chose, you can now add a credit card, a bank account or an e-currency account.  For the credit card it will be approved in a few hours (24h max).

An optional last step will be to activate the Secure Card feature.  It is a very nice security feat where you have access to look for 4 codes on a small printed out table each time you log in, no one can access your account unless they have that little paper with the codes, including yourself. Guard it with your life! It’s the key to your account ;-)  Oh and it’s free of course.  If you don’t have a printer, just save the Secure Card as an image on your PC.  You get less security that way, but it is still better than nothing.

You can now buy some EMO by clicking on the Add Money button.  Done? Alright! So now we have some EMO, what to do with it?  =D  On to step #2!


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2- Plan ahead

This really isn't as hard as it sounds. There is only ONE best plan; it is the best because it is the most intuitive, although many other plans give the same economic performance.  It is called the 3x3x3 (or 3 even sums if you prefer).  Don’t worry, if you have been doing fancy stuff like xx,6,6 or xx,x,6 you haven’t lost anything, it gives the exact same performance (as long as 1st ≥ 2nd ≥ 3rd).  Let me say that in words: as long as your 1st upgrade is greater than your 2nd upgrade, and your 3rd upgrade is greater than the 2nd, your plan is good. In the long run (after you max out 12dp) it will give the exact same result as 3x3x3.  I have the Excel sheets to prove it. Not following the plan and violating the 1st > 2nd > 3rd rule (ex. 6$,300$,300$) will slowdown your profit potential by couple of thousands dollars, nothing more... =P   Confused yet?  Here’s the step-by-step for 3x3x3:


a) Decide how much money in total you want to put in, make sure it is a multiple of 18,
    and at least 18$.  (If you want to put less than 18$ to test, just skip this whole section,  
    it does not apply to you.  Come back here when you see this thing is for real  http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />)
    Ex.: 900$   (18*50 = 900)

http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'B)\' /> Divide it by 3.
    900$ / 3 = 300$
   
c) Your plan is “300, 300, 300”.  This means that you should put 300$ right now, wait 6
days, put 300$ again,  wait another 6 days, then put the final 300$.  From then on, just keep re-upgrading with whatever amount you receive from 12dp (432$), as soon as you receive it.

That’s it!  All you need to remember is that your first 3 first upgrades should be equal (or 1st ≥ 2nd ≥ 3rd), and that you should space those 3 upgrades about 6 days apart (one or two days off is not a big deal).

Remember that the maximum upgrade amount that you can have in 12dp at any time is 6000$, and that you can have 2 upgrades max at the same time.  So if you want to max out 12dp right away, this is what it looks like:

Maxing out 12dp:

Day 1:        Upgrade 3000$
Day 7:          Upgrade 3000$
Day 13:       Upgrade 3000$
Around day 19:   Receive 4320$, Upgrade 3000$, Keep 1320$
Around day 25:   Receive 4320$, Upgrade 3000$, Keep 1320$
Around day 31:   Receive 4320$, Upgrade 3000$, Keep 1320$

Day xx:      Receive 4320$, Upgrade 3000$, Keep 1320$

You will have 9000$ in the system at all time (2 active 3000$ upgrades + one 3000$  pending payment).  Other plans such as 6000 every 12 days will require a capital of 12000$.  Other than the different amount of capital required, all plans to max out will give the same result.  Assuming an average payment delay of 7 days, you will be making at least 139$ USD of pure profit per day with the 3x3x3 (not counting the referral commissions).  That’s 4170$ USD of pure profit per month (30 days)!

Why not just 900$ one shot every 17-23 days?  Why every 6 days?
Remember that there is a payment delay of 5-7 business days (5-11 real days, because of weekends).  During that delay, if you don’t have a second upgrade to cover the first one, your account will revert back to its Free/Exp. Status.  That will give your upline a heart attack =D, and you have to stay upgraded to earn 12% from your own referrals anyways (downlines). Free/Exp. accounts can only earn 3% from their referrals instead of 12%.  Upgrading once about every week will ensure that all your upgrades overlap with each other, thus minimizing the idle time.

Ok so now we’ve got some money and we know what to do with it… It’s finally time to actually DO it!  =)


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3- Register at 12dailypro

Use a referral link instead of registering through the main website!  This is my referral link: http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=130537  The person whose referral link you use will become your upline. Make sure you choose an upline that you will be happy with in the long run, because you cannot change upline after you sign-up.  The lucky upline you choose will get a 12% bonus of every upgrade you make, at no cost to you!
Your email address, payment processor and name, must be uniquely associated with your IP address.

So register ONLY from your HOME computer, not on a public one. Do not let anyone else use the same Internet connection as you to sign-up OR autosurf on the 12dailypro website.  Each house typically only has one Internet connection, so a good rule of thumb is to have only one 12dp account per house and to always use your home Internet connection for 12dp.  Don’t worry; they are a working on a new kind of verification.  

By the way, everything on the sign up page can be changed later if you need to. Ok let’s get cranking, from top to bottom.

“Your Name”
Must be at least two words separated by a space.  Use your real name, this will be need for the upcoming verification system…  

“Your E-mail address”
Anything goes.  Just don’t use a verizon.net email, as stated.  12dp will send all important announcements (not all, only critical ones) to this email, so enter an email that you really use…  I created a brand new free Hushmail account for this and haven’t got a single spam yet.

“Password”
Make sure you pick a very good password, something like: H@h@g00dlucktryingtOcrackkkthis1!!  You can use a line from your favourite song and code it up anyway you want, but make sure you write it down on paper somewhere just in case.

“Payout Details”
Enter your EMO email address or your Stormpay email address here.

“Your site name” & “Your site URL”
Enter “None” for the name and leave the URL empty, unless you know what you are doing AND have read the terms very carefully as well as the warning on the bottom of the form.  This is the website that you want to promote to other 12dp members…

“You have been referred by member number: xxxxxx”
Make sure that the xxxxxx part corresponds to the referral link of the upline you chose. If it doesn’t, close your browser, reopen it, clear all cookies, and then try the link again.  This trick also works for most referrals system out there… =)

Now click on Register and go check for your validation email.  It might end up in the Junk or Spam folder =P   If somehow you have trouble receiving the email, just click on the “Resend Validation Link” button on the main page.


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4- Upgrading, earning and exploring

Welcome to 12dp! Login to your 12dp account.  Despite what the message says, DO NOT autosurf yet if you want to upgrade today. Once you autosurf, you cannot upgrade for the rest of the day. Make it a good habit right now to read all the latest announcements before doing anything else.  When you are done, click on “Account Settings” and review all the info there.

Once your Payout Details are ready, make sure you are logged out from the EMO website, THEN click on Upgrade Account on the upper right and follow the instructions to buy some units at 6$ each.  EMOcorp is very picky with multiple logins… Ignore the “Allow minimized viewing” setting. For example, if you want to upgrade 300$, then you should enter 50 units.  Once done, click on “View Account Summary” to verify that the upgrade got registered properly.  EMO upgrades should go through instantly, while Stormpay upgrades usually take about 5 minutes before being registered, despite what they say.  =)

Once you are upgraded, just click on “Start Surfing” on the upper left. Let the autosurf run until you earn at least 12 credits (it takes about 5 min), then click on “Open Account”, and you are done for the day!  Go back to “View Account Summary” and you can see your first 12% earned right there on your Cash Balance! Congrats! Just don’t forget to do your one click on the “Start Surfing” button everyday!

Now just relax and have a look around. Here’s a tutorial for every section.

“Start surfing”
The one click that will make you earn thousands per month!  =D  This is where you autosurf.  Each page is displayed for 25 seconds.  The maximum credits you can surf per day is 50, after that the autosurf automatically stops.  If you use Firefox, you can even open another tab and do other things while the autosurf is running. http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\';)\' /> Surfing over 12 pages a day will NOT give you any extra earnings, just more credits.  What are credits for? I’ll tell you later =P

“ProClicks Area”
A bunch of banners here that you can click for 12 credits per click. You must view the page for 55 seconds after each click.  This is the easiest way to get free credits.  Of course those 12 credits doesn’t count towards your earning, you still have to autosurf everyday.  If you want to have your own banner here, it costs 250$ for 100 000 guaranteed clicks!

“Upgrade Account”
You’ve been here before.  “Allow minimized viewing” is supposed to let you autosurf while the browser is minimized!  Of course it is set to “off” no matter what you do.  So stop trying.  =P  You cannot upgrade between 11h30PM – 12H15AM because of the day switch, remember that.

“Referrals”
You can see your upline full name and email here!  http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'^_^\' />   There is also your own referral link and a list of all your referrals…  Ignore the “Cash Received” column, as it is not used (all stats are 0 there).

“History”
The most important section.  Every transaction you make is listed here.  I won’t go into details.  On the bottom, many statistics are not used (always 0): Lifetime Paid, Cash from all refs, Lifetime Surf Bonus Credits Won, Lifetime Surf Bonus Cash Won, PTC Cash Earned.  Don’t worry about those.

“12dp Surf Sponsors”
Just a list of sponsors. This list is also displayed at the end of your surf session.  To become a sponsor it costs 280$ for 1 week.

“Site of the Week”
Direct link to the Site of the Week.

“Advertising Opportunities”
Direct link to hitsdailypro, which is an advertisement agency and also 12dp sister site.  Be careful, that site is used to BUY marketing services.  DON’T go there unless you want to spend money for advertisements…

“Members Home”
All the official announcements are here.  The first thing you should do when you login is to read any new announcement.  Make sure you read the Security News too (click on any announcement and you will see it).

“Account Settings”
Change any of your personal info here.  You should only use the “Freeze Account” feature in case your payment processor account got hacked.  It is NOT a vacation mode.  If you really cannot surf for a certain period less than 30 days AND do not have any referral, just don’t upgrade for that period.  Otherwise, just put in 6$ to stay upgraded. It is a small sacrifice compared to the referral commissions that you can make (12% instead of 3%, 4 times more).  You can also remove your account here.  If you already have an upline and have already upgraded even once, DO NOT remove your account to sign-up under someone else.  You are not allowed to change upline that way.  Doing so will likely get you banned.  Also, removing your account will make you lose all your referrals.

“View Account Summary”
Very straight forward.  Look at your Cash Balance here. It should increase by 12% of your Member Level after you autosurf for the day. There is also a small Earnings Statement link right beside your User ID for tax purposes.  Now notice all the little arrows…
 
If you don’t want to promote any site, just ignore everything from here on and skip to the Important Advice section...  If you want to promote something, make sure you read the terms first.  I underlined those that surprised me.

H. In order to provide our professional members with a seamless online experience, it is a requirement that each site that you promote on our site must comply with the following rules. There will be a no-tolerance policy for the below offenders. The accounts will be deleted without notice and all earnings will be lost.
•   No pop-up windows, pop-in windows, downloads, redirects, trojans, or malicious code
•   No broken, under-construction sites, or slow-loading sites
•   No site with the following themes: personals, eroticism, matchmaking, mail-order brides, religion, politics, goth, wicca, satanism, war games
•   No adult, illegal, violent, or inappropriate content


So are you sure that your website meet the requirements? Read the terms again.  =P  Ok, it’s time for me to explain about credits first. Credits are only useful to promote a website of your choice.  Each credit that you allocate to your website will make that website appear on the screen of one 12dp member during their autosurf session.  For example, if you put CPH (Credits Per Hour) to 5, then 120 (5x24) 12dp member will “see” your site per day, providing you have enough credits of course.

Ways to get credits:
•   Autosurfing, 1 credits per page, 25 sec. each
•   ProClicks area, 12 credits per banner click, 55 sec. each
•   Get some referrals (12% + 12 sign-up credits + 0.12 credit for showing your referral page)
•   Buy 1000 credits for 44$, 6000 credits for 68$

To promote a site first you need to add it and let it pass a little test (takes 60 seconds).  Setup a reasonable CPH for your site.  Then click on the arrow next to Account Credits to allocate some of your credits to it.  That’s it, that’s all.  

Pfew, the 12dp interface can be a bit overwhelming at first, if you need more help just contact me.


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IMPORTANT ADVICE & COMMON PITFALLS TO AVOID
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-It is not enough to be smart; you also need to be informed.  The biggest risk in 12dp comes from the members themselves imho. 12dp have strict rules, please read them.  

-1 IP per account rule means: DO NOT surf at work or any other public places (it is only allowed occasionally).  If you and one of your referral or your upline surf on the same Internet connection, then you will be automatically banned!! To be extra safe, use only your PC at home.  Even if you have a router and three PC at homes, all those 3 PCs will still have the same external IP! To check what IP you are currently using, go to http://www.whatismyip.com/  Everything going through a router will still have the same external IP (but a different internal IP). We are only interested with the external IP.  By the way, having a dynamic IP with DSL does NOT change anything.  Again, one account per house is the safest way to go.  If you really must register your husband or wife, use a dial-up connection for the 2nd account or just buy some static IPs.  Remember, 1 router = 1 IP = 1 account only!
-Only one EMO account and/or Stormpay account, one email address, and one associated 12dp account allowed per physical person.

-Don't forget to autosurf everyday for your 12%. It takes only 5min to autosurf 12 sites.

-Check if your local time matches with the server time. Days are counted with respect to the server time of course. Best practice is to surf everyday at the same local time, then you don’t have to worry about missing a day.  

-You cannot upgrade from 11h30PM to 12h15AM.  This is to ensure that transition from one day to the next occurs smoothly.  You can still surf during that period.

-Once again, know the rules and do not break them, if you break a rule, you will be banned and all your earnings confiscated.  Don’t cheat, 12dp staff is smarter than you =P  All the rules and terms are here: http://www.12dailypro.com/terms.php

-If you promote a website, read section H of the terms until you can recite it by heart!

-Secure your computer.  Do it now!
I recommend using http://www.snoopfree.com/default.htm in addition to all your present security measures. If you are using Windows, make sure you have all the latest updates.  And if you are still using Internet Explorer, please copy some text, then go here:
http://www.worldstart.com/clipboardtest/clipboard-test.php
So, what are you waiting for?  Firefox 1.5 is out! Grab it! ;-)  
Finally, please take the time to assess and improve your network security here: http://www.grc.com/default.htm
(Leak Test, ShieldsUP, UnPlug n' Pray, DCOMbobulator, Shoot The Messenger)
As always, do not forget to always activate the best security shield ever created, the one between your ears! ;-)  

-To avoid fake phishing sites, always use the same bookmark to access 12dp, and look for the correct NetIBA certification ID on the bottom left, which is 649242X.  Always make sure that the site you are on is exactly written like this http://www.12dailypro.com/

-Although I am very confident in this program potential and longevity, it is my duty to warn you. Do not put more money in this program than what you can afford to lose. Do not quit your day job, obviously. =P As with every other thing money-related (including leaving your money asleep in the bank), there are controlled risks. The safest (although not the most profitable) way to proceed is to take out the capital as soon as possible and then re-upgrade only the profits… You have nothing to lose after that =)

- If you are looking to diversify, beware. Resist the lure of higher profits. Don’t ever lower your guard with respect to other programs. Just because 12dp works so well it doesn’t mean that all autosurfs or hyips out there work too. In fact the majority of other online “opportunities” out there are plain scams/pure ponzis waiting to fraud you.  Always do your Due Diligence properly as if it was the very first time.  =)


If you have any questions, comments, or just want to discuss anything, feel free to contact me on MSN.

Happy autosurfing!!  
 

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By Nguyen Hung Tam, Montreal, January 23rd 2006, version 4
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Nicknames on forums: wisechild, wackon

http://www.stormpay.com/?2583554
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http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=2604115
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=130537

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / The complete 12dailypro guide v2
« on: December 18, 2005, 11:50:26 AM »
This was version 2 of my 12dailypro guide, please read version 4 here:

http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26067

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Referrals/Free iPods Forum / 12dailypro guide for beginners
« on: December 07, 2005, 03:04:33 AM »
This was version 1 of my 12dp guide, please read version 3 here instead:

http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=25241

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