Bootable Win2k CD with multi OS\'s

[Tyee]

Thanks for the info Sic1Nine. That would explain it. I\'d like to try it with a long pathname and see what happens but -- I just made my Win2k/XP iso and it\'s about 890MB. Too big for a CD. If I loose everything but the I386 folders I\'m down to about 800MB, still too big! Maybe Virtual PC can do it?? Does anyone know if Virtual PC can run an .iso this big?

Tyee

[Sic1Nine]

Yes.. you can do it using Virtual PC and for your info.. that was what I ran into trying to include XP with the 3in1.  You could still prolly use that iso but as I mentioned before in an earlier post, you\'ll have to use a 90 or 99 min cd to do it.. then at least you\'ll retain the directories that you\'ve included in your iso.

[Tyee]

I tried it with a long pathname and it didn\'t work. I just wanted to confirm it was hardcoded to only look at a  4 character directory.
The way to get around the XP problem of \'txtsetup.sif\' being compressed in the boot floppies is to just forget about the WinXP boot floppies and leave the whole WinXP CD directory as it is on the original install CD, and just copy it over to our \'Root\' directory without any modifications. Then add the necessary Win2k directories as this thread has shown then everything will be fine. Then burn on a 99min CD. I,ll try this when I find one of these.

Do all burners and burning programs support these large CD\'s??

Tyee

[meV]

has anyone used mac simulator? I want to try mac os on my pc, What is the best?

I heard  that the require some real hardware!!! what is it?


I appreciate all replies

meV

[The_Flames]

You should start a new thred, this one is about making 3-1 style cd \'s

[meV]

Thanks for info:

I will edit and start a new thread, I made this mistake because I \'ve seen few threads about emulation...

anyway, I am sorry for distracting you guys.

meV

[Space Between]

NO not all burners do...but most burners do. If your burner doesnt support it then i have no answer why ;P..im not sure why they do or dont. I know this...my mother has a Ricoh7060s and i burnt 99 minute cds on it a year ago...and the burner itself is was made i think in 1998. Now not all cd burners support writing at 99:59 capacity. In fact the only one\'s i have see reported to do so is a older Ricoh and Mitsumi. All others usually stop writing at 99:05 i believe. I know the one i got supports to 99:05. Bottom line even if you read it dont believe it until you experience it. 99 minute cds are cheap compared to when i bought 5 for 20 bucks.  Now you can buy them quite inexpensive from such places as www.youbuy.net . Look around...there cheap to sum it up though. I believe you can make a XP/2k/98 cd with one.

As far as this multi MS OS cd...is it possible to compress all files in something like a .cab and have them extracted then installed. Like put the i386 dir\'s of xp and 2k in a .cab...then have a program that could be added with and run with diskemu.bin ??know what i mean....i see that the regular install procedure\'s use the .cab. So why not the whole thing

[Josetann]

No need to, the individual files in the i386 directories are already compressed.  Putting them in a cab file would only be redundant.

[The_Flames]

Attached to this post there is guide to making win 95 OEM 2 ver installable without having IE installed with it, it alos give som e more information on removing the cd key requirement ect..

[Tyee]

Interesting question Space. We\'ll have to look into it.
BTW I have a Plextor 12/10/32 so I\'ll have to look into whether it will do the 99min. burn. I think I read you could damage your burner if it can\'t do this and you try to make it do it!

Here\'s the summary/method I\'m using to make the WinXP/2k Bootable CD. It has the detail in it that I needed, maybe it will help someone else. It\'s just a little reworking of Oz\'s and the other website\'s 3in1 summary (the_Flames if I remember correctly?).I want to give credit where credit is do so thanks to Oz, Flames, you and everyone else here who helped.

Note -- you will have to have read this thread totally to understand everything in here, but most of us have.

         Making a WinXP/2k Boot CD
      
NOTE - This procedure assumes d: is the drive in use

1. Make the following folders on d:

d:CDroot2kPro
d:CDrootBF2k

2. Copy Full Win2k CD to \'d:CDroot2kPro\' folder
3. Extract d:CDroot2kProBootdisk*.img (Win2k Boot Floppies) to \'d:CDrootBF2k\' folder (with pathname,use WinImage).
4. Copy Full WinXP CD to \'d:CDroot\' folder.
5. Hex Edit \'d:CDrootBF2ksetupldr.bin\' to change all ASCII instances of \'i386\' to \'BF2k\'.
6. Edit \'d:CDrootBF2ktxtsetup.sif\' to change \'SetupSourcePath\' to point to \'2kPro\'.
7. Apply service patch 2 to the \'2kPro\' folder --
   w2ksp2.exe -x (extract to a drive other than d:, ie. c: then run the updater)
   c:I386UpdateUpdate.exe -s:d:CDroot2kPro

8. Edit \'d:CDroot2kProI386setupp.ini\', and change line \'PID=???000\' to \'PID=???270\' to avoid entering CD serial no.

9. Copy from \'d:CDroot2kPro\' folder the following files to the \'d:CDroot\' folder --
CDROM_IP.5
CDROM_NT.5
Read1st.txt
Readme.doc
spnotes.htm
*.tst (all .tst files)

10. Copy Bart\'s files to \'d:CDroot\' folder --
loader.bin
diskem1x.bin
diskemu.cmd (Edit to suit OS to install, see Bart\'s instructions)
w2ksect.dat (Win2k bootsector)
wxpsect.dat (WinXP bootsector,same as Win2k bootsector)(Rename while copying \'w2ksect.dat\' to \'wxpsect.dat\')

11.Hex Edit in \'d:CDrootw2ksect.dat\' this ASCII text - \'SETUPLDR.BINBOOTFIX.BINI386\' and change the \'I386\' in this string to \'BF2k\'. Leave \'d:CDrootwxpsect.dat\' alone. It will point to \'I386\' which will be in the \'d:CDroot\' folder now (Copied from WinXP CD in step 4).

12. Right click the above 5 files to change their properties to \'hidden\'.

13. Run CDImage with this command line, assuming \'CDroot\' folder has been made on d: and output file is going to e:

  CDImage -lWinXP_2k_Boot -h -o -m -n -bd:CDrootloader.bin d:CDroot e:WinXP_2k.iso

14. Burn iso to CD (approx. 900MB)

[Space Between]

Yeh but not all files in the i386 are compressed right...just some of the ex_\'s and .cab\'s..or it looks like . Anyways...no overburning to that extent will not damage your burner...it could but so could of alot of other things.

[Space Between]

Well i got the XP PRO to work on a  multi os with win98 using diskemu.   I did edit the txtsetup.sif, setupldr.bin, and made a WINXPPRO.DAT file.   Since im not the smartest man i also used a file called txtsetup.si_ ...i just copied the txtsetup.sif and renamed it. The installation worked although i dont know which file it used..txtsetup.si_ or txtsetup.sif.   either way it works. I\'ll post a link for them at the end here. Also i put a answer line file named Winnt.sif in the i386 directory and it did NOT work. I dont know, i think i remember something about having to make it all lower case...so maybe it should be called winnt.sif. Or maybe i should put it in with the rest of the floopie files and see if that works. Anybody know how that should be done to work? Either it works.

i put the new files with the boot floopy files in a dir named \"TTGF\" (The Tech Guide Forum) and the windows files in a dir named \"XPPRO\" in the UENGLISH dir.


P.S. Anybody know of  the best and cleanest way to uninstall winxp.? I just deleted the install dir and edited teh boot.ini...that should be good enough right?

[Space Between]

oops ;-P

http://montym.homestead.com/ludlowsucks/files/rootxp.zip

[Twinkie]

I have a feeling it\'s not done yet and due to time restrictions I have yet to convert to a pdf. But the close to final draft of the manual is done. Hopefully a few you still need it. This took longer than I thought. I will countinue to work on it and will repost once the pdf document is done. Till then feel free to look at the draft and submit further questions or comments here in the forum.  Click on my name at the bottom to get to my website.

Thanks

[The_Flames]

well it\'s definitly more readable that the quick & dirty text file on my site http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />, and the timps to get 9x on it are kool http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

now i just need to fix my pc so i can try it again http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

[Space Between]

this is off your page twinkie....

\"I am not sure at this time, since I have yet to try, but you should be able to use the winnt.sif file for XP as well.\"

Like i said right above putting a file named \"Winnt.sif\" in the i386 dir in winxp pro does not work for automated installs....i am retrying tonight with the Winnt.sif file in the directory where the floppy files rest.

Can someone confirm wether or not using a capital W in the filename Winnt.sif is correct or should all letters be lowercase...i have searched. MS.com for the info it just keeps saying \"The file must be named Winnt.sif.\" which means it should be witha  capital but i read somewhere that case does matter....wether or not case matter for a capital W i dont know. but i did read it

[The_Flames]

winnt.sif case doesnt matter as with most ms products http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

[Twinkie]

Looking at the MS Knowledge base it says:

-rename to winnt.sif in bold.  The only time listed in bold is lowercase.  Maybe important maybe not.  Usally does not matter for install files.

-the winnt.sif file must be in the folder where you put the floppies.  I will update the site soon to show this.

Thanks Space,

[Space Between]

Really nice site twinkie...really really nice. That\'s the best yet for this...probably can\'t get any better.  

Also if you read what \"Eric\" posted in this thread http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/showflat...o=&fpart=1&vc=1
you will notice he seemed to be overly informative seem to know what he is talking about...and he mentions to name the file WINNT.SIF...in all capitals ;-) ...im not too sure what to try here due to partially installing win2k/xp isnt very quick....so i am going to use cdimage this time and put three winxp pro\'s on the same cd with different variations. To sum it up i probably wont be back online tonight :-P.

[Twinkie]

Hmmm,
I posted the manual online thinking that would give me some time to regroup.  Looks like that did not work http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

Anyway, I am assuming until told otherwise that flames is right.  It is not case sensitive on the CD.  However that thread did show a lot of interesting notes that will most likely end up in the manual.  I wonder if I could find out what \"Eric\'s\" email is?  

Future notes for the manual -- winnt32.sif / OEM and all that goes with it / IE6 & security updates (quite mode).

That\'s a wrap for the day,
Time to go home to the misses