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« Reply #80 on: March 07, 2003, 10:42:26 PM »
What works for me is the following:  

Create an installation of Windows on the C: drive using a SUBST command (i.e. SUBST X:  C:) which will cause the registry to report everythin on the X: drive.  Once the system is setup to your liking use WinRAR to make a ZIP file of the PROGRAM FOLDERS and WINDOWS directory.  Create a bootable CD assigning a RAMDISK in Autoexec.bat with XMSDISK and place whatever other programs you want on the CD - but not part of the OS.  Use LFNUNZIP.exe (long file name unzip) to place the whole OS in the RAMDISK.  If you are restricted on memory as I am (128mb) then be sure to establish a swapfile outside of the C: directory, so the OS can use the HD as swap when the RAMDISK is running.  This works great for Windows 95, but Windows 98 will not let me have long file names in a RAMDISK while the OS is running on a RAMDISK, but the OS works, just has truncated names (i.e Progra~1).  It might be because of the LFNUNZIP feature of renaming the files, when just unzipping may work - I will try PKUNZIP for 98 and see if different.  It seems easier to just place the whole OS on a RAMDISK than try and seperate it out.

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« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2003, 10:40:52 AM »
I am not a huge geek in this... just some small info for you.... in MOST cd creation software, you have the option for making a boot cd. in nero burn, when you open the program, you can scroll on the left to boot cd... on your own from there.  in adaptect cd open the create cd.... choose data,choose data again...go to file, then New cd layout and choose boot cd... then install flopy boot cd and a blank cd... the rest is old news. most programs have a way to create a boot cd, the key to a good one, is a good floppy boot disk and it will do the rest! BDJ plattsburgh ny

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« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2003, 07:35:30 PM »
I have tried PKUNZIP but does not work for 98 - It must be an undocumented feature of 98 as I cannot find documentation - but when the OS runs in a RAMDISK - Long file names are not supported.  I tried to place a long file name folder into the RAMDISK and received an error message that the drive does not support long file names.  95 has no restrictions.

I must add this however - Only 95 original retail seems to support long file names in RAMDISK.  From what I gather there was a program concerning running 95 on a network server and 95 original retail seems to support this.

My version of 95 is an OEM from Packard Bell which I obtained when I bought a 75Mhz System many moons ago.  As I understand this is the original retail version (without any letter designations) and has built-in Virtual Drive support over a network.

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« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2003, 01:29:15 PM »
You CAN\'T boot Windows from a CD!

It has to write to the boot disk during the boot process. When it can\'t write the boot fails.

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« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2003, 07:04:05 PM »
windows3.11 on a floppy

they said that was impossable, and that article leads here for win 9x an Article on reducing 9x installed sizes this is intresting, and removing the extra rubbish may help make the cd more stable and easier to run http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':)\' />

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« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2003, 09:23:15 AM »
OMG, Never say CAN\'T!!!!

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« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2003, 03:00:53 PM »
Find someone who has corporate support from Microsoft, and look for a product called Microsoft Windows PE.  It\'s the SDK that MS gives to companies like Dell and Compaq to develop bootable cd\'s that run actual versions of win2k.  (Anyone who\'s used a server assistant cd to install an os knows what I\'m talking about.)

Good luck.

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« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2003, 03:35:32 PM »
is there a version of Win PE for 9X ???? I dont think so. the main just of this thread is booting a win9x system from a cd http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':)\' />

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« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2003, 10:39:23 AM »
I´m waiting for the release of StealthLogon, to see how they realize what they promise...to see is to believe...
I have the oportunity of try WinPE, and i am very pleased what we can do with it..
(sorry about my english)...

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« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2003, 07:03:00 PM »
there is a version of linux called Knoppix which comes as a cd which boots, detects hardware such as usb, sound and video cards, and you have an easy to use desktop packed with software such as open office, and it can run on a non-linux machine with no need for a hard disk and be ready in less than 2 minutes... no need to install.

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« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2003, 08:07:14 PM »
Knoppix is a great cd only \"LINUX\" system , Ive used it for a week or so with no real problems.

but is a linux system a windows system ???? I dont think so http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':P\' />

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« Reply #91 on: April 24, 2003, 03:10:33 PM »
I'm about to a cd that you guys talked about this topic: A bootable CDR that can run Win88SE from a CDR
Please help me on this topic.
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http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=9285
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« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2003, 10:44:16 AM »
I made a CDR that runs Win98SE from the cdr. It will not detect new devices, has basic drivers.. video and no sound, but i dont need sound. I want to use this cdr to that has a working copy of MSWORD, NT Password recovery tools and Nemo which can R/W mount a NTFS, EXT2 filesystems, this can be done from a cdr.

A CDR that can run 32bit apps in a GUI MODE has possibilies. Some apps could not be used or ran from a dos boot disk. WinPE or ERD are good, but to run a true OS with various apps from a CDR, is the way to go.

I will be still working on this idea. I want to make a CDR with various 32bit  tools that will run from a CDR.

Help is always needed,
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« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2003, 11:07:06 AM »
sorry if this has already been said, but could you not change something in one of the .ini files or config.sys etc to make the temporary directory (the registry, virtual memory, what have you) a floppy or RAM drive?

also would it be possible to boot from a floppy to load basic DOS and device drivers etc and then boot windows from a cd? is this feasable?

i'm kind of a newb when it comes to bootable CDs but i know a lot about DOS, win 95, 98 and ME and how they boot. does anyone know if a bootable Windows XP DVD-R is at all possible (seeing as basic XP takes up almost 1GB i think)?

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« Reply #94 on: May 01, 2003, 02:20:34 AM »
[quote name=\'farclick\' date=\'Apr 27 2003, 04:44 PM\']I made a CDR that runs Win98SE from the cdr. It will not detect new devices, has basic drivers.. video and no sound, but i dont need sound. I want to use this cdr to that has a working copy of MSWORD, NT Password recovery tools and Nemo which can R/W mount a NTFS, EXT2 filesystems, this can be done from a cdr.

A CDR that can run 32bit apps in a GUI MODE has possibilies. Some apps could not be used or ran from a dos boot disk. WinPE or ERD are good, but to run a true OS with various apps from a CDR, is the way to go.

I will be still working on this idea. I want to make a CDR with various 32bit  tools that will run from a CDR.

Help is always needed,
Thanks

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 how did you suceed at stopping windows detecting new hardware???

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« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2003, 01:35:41 PM »
Where can I download an iso of the \"bootable windows cd\"?????

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« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2003, 05:41:13 PM »
Sorry to drop in on this discussion like this, but started working on what you're talking about here around 3 weeks ago and I've got it done now (this forum might have helped me had I seen it before this evening).  I got inspired by Knoppix (actually damn small linux) and decided to make a credit card sized windows 98 cd.  There was no reason why we couldn't do something similar with windows, and it would necessarily be better looking than that ugly as hell knoppix web browser; I REALLY couldn't get over the file manager and I think that's what led me to attempt this on windows 98.

Right now I've limit my cd image to around 49 MB, so when I cut it it fits right next to my maxed out Visa Card.  It loads windows on any computer with 128+ MB ram, supports creative audio cards and NVidia and later ATI vid cards ( it seems to support a whole lot of net cards too).  I've got divx support in winamp .  Opera 7 web browser and email client, a nice hex editor, reg shot, data rescue (a fabulous low level undelete tool which someone now makes you pay for - I've got the last free verison here), partition magic 5, grisoft antivirus, Miranda IM (Gnu messenger that hooks into all the major services), explore2fs, NTFS (winternals program to read/write ntfs on win98), a freeware zip tool, ezdrive, and a paint program, and the last free version of Haim's net meter.

As it turns out, that c't magazine article was mostly right; there were still some conflicts with things they didn't even mention. The little idea about not lighting up the a:\ drive LED is dead wrong, there is a major conflict between windows drivers and the El Torito spec. I had trouble with that until I found a little work around.

as of now, I've got 0, that's right zero error messages.  I could still make it better if I had a little help from someone who knows a little assembly language - right now I'm running HD access in real mode but with the right assembly call I can allow protected mode - just need someone who can help me figure out a couple lines of code.

I would consider putting the image out there but someone needs to host it (I don't want the potential bottleneck that I would have on my dsl server here) and whoever downloads it is doing it at their own risk.  It is not hard to modify the installation and like someone already said there are ways of avoiding hardware detection, running 16 color 640*480 video with decent fonts, etc.  That will also save you 10+MB on the image - which means you can make a really small business card out of that.

I know that it would be pretty easy to make a full sized cd that would work on a system with less memory - maybe 64 or even 32 with some work, but I'm not terribly interested in that for the present time.  I just had a little peek at the registry and I think we could really make that _fly_ though - doing something like what that c't article said but more elaborate, while avoiding stupid disk full messages.  maybe I'll work on that in august when I've got some vacation time :>

Let me know what you think and if someone knows about assembly, please post a message here - we need to talk.

I think I may write a tutorial about this sometime soon, also, so keep your ears peeled.  

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« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2003, 07:49:46 PM »
a guide would be great http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':)\' />

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« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2003, 10:07:59 AM »
Hi again,

well, I'm working pretty hard on the tutorial now.  I imagine there will be about 10 web pages or so.  I'll tell you exactly what you need and pretty precisely how to do it.

I'm also working right now on a way to run it off the cd on computers with less memory - the main project is of course the credit card cd that runs Windows - you'll need at least from 64 to 128 MB of Ram to run it.  The hybrid method I'm working on right now will be able to run on less RAM - I'm not sure how much yet.  Windows is kinda picky about where and when it needs write access.

By the way, those of you who follow here, when I get the tutorial finished, I would like some help inserting the thing in the major search motors - anyone know how to do that, or anyone who would help by doing it?

I'm not sure when i'm going to be done, but hopefully it'll be within the next 2-3 weeks. I would finish sooner, but my job is a bit unordinary and I have little free time right now.

lates,

Semios

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« Reply #99 on: May 30, 2003, 10:17:20 PM »
it would help strip windows of the \"FAT\" that goes with it if you use win98lite. it takes out the functionality (ies) of internet explorer and everything that depends on it. from my experience, using 98lite on my pc, i have a smaller registry hive, faster execution of programs and more responsive pc.

just a thought.