Resigning from Elite Anti-Scammer

[greazee]

I am resigning from the elites, effective immediately.

  This is my story of being elite and my take on what it has become:

   

  When I joined the site I saw the elites as some great group of people who commanded respect and rightfully deserved it.

  I wanted to become one, not because its cool or whatever the regular reason is, but because no matter what they were the people who stood out from normal members, they were leaders in the forum and were also trusted with everyone.

   

  When I became an elite I thought it would be some great thing, however I soon realized that was not the case. When I joined I noticed a pattern, if you speak out enough then the others will follow... and that’s the way it was, Allanon pretty much dictated the vote, and that’s probably the reason I won by as much as I did in my elite poll. So yeah I used this to my advantage right away by making JBLee (one of my better friends on this forum at the time) an elite poll and glorified him in every way possible in order to win the votes.

   

  Then quickly I realized how this was not the way to do it, because soon after JBLee and me had a fall out, which started when Kmuk scammed him (no one at the time was sure) and he blamed me. I then spent a good hour trying to guess kmuks bank pin after getting onto his account because, even though Kmuk has been my friend since I was in elementary school, I didn't want Tom and JBLee to become enemies. (Plus if kmuk scammed its not like I was betraying him by righting his wrong)

   

  Well from there JBLee and Tom hacked my MSN after my attempt to help, and that I will never forgive simply because I was helping them and they pretty much stabbed me in the back. This is where I found just how bad the elite situation was.

   

  For any other person, hacking an elites msn, or any other members msn, would have resulted in a ban, yet this time it didn’t and I knew exactly why. I wasn't interested in a ban, just De-Elited (he was given elite in the midst of everything) because I highly doubt that if an elite, lets say Zack the man, went and hacked a member (such as I Hate My User Name) Msn that he would stay elite for too much longer. However this was not the case, he was given a free pass because "he wasn’t thinking clearly"

   

  Shortly after people started claiming that I should pay back because I was the MM, and that I was the one given a free pass in the whole ordeal, however I see that as ridiculous seeing as how the MM doesn’t have to pay back if someone recovers an account in a trade.

   

  From that point on I prevented JBLee from keeping elite by posting the proof of him hacking my msn, as well as proving any stories JBLee provided were false. So he was no longer elite.... time went by, I had my run in with IHacky, which left us as enemies and destroyed the blackmarket I joined, and eventually Allanon talked me into returning to Runecore after my departure, I was given admin again. Then a lot of stuff happened, and during this time there was always subtle things JBLee did that kept me from really liking him again, so when they started to become less subtle I disconnected myself from him.

   

  At this time I also joined another site and talked to some pretty cool people, who needed help making some forums... and since I was trying to build a rep I was happy to help. I posted on Runecore saying that I was going to be less active and that it would be easier to contact me through the new sites chat box (I was talking to people through there because some didn’t have msn)

   

  Well then JBLee decided it was reason to remove my admin and from there all those little subtle things that bugged me so much added up with this into one big pile of fuck him and I left for a second time. Then Wdude tried to scam me and madhatter was involved, which led to JBLee saying even if he scams me then he wont get banned as well as calling me a scammer among other things. Well things kept going on, Blackout and Wdude (at this time they were pretty much JBLee worshipers) started attacking Aragosts site tontalk because I was an admin there, so I retaliated by getting runecore taken down... and that really was never what I wanted to do but I had enough of shit from them. That’s pretty much the reason I told what I did, which pretty much set up allanon to get it back... and I wasn't disappointed really because I did like the site runecore, my problem was with jblee and his little posse or whatever.

   

  Then Allanon gave Jblee admin on Aragosts site and watched him destroy it... so that pretty much turned jblees chances of winning his elite poll from ok to bad... and when I ended in a tie (early I might add) allanon changed the rules from ties = loss to ties = win on 1 week poll... and from there I have just been looking at this system we have and realized more and more that the people who are most actively calling it broken and corrupt are the ones making it that way, and I honestly dont see any way of fixing it.

   

  The latest thing I see as horribly wrong is that Kirk Hammett is possibly going to lose Elite because certain people have been going around getting people to change their vote for reasons like “Not active” or “Not known by enough members, not trusted enough”

   

  Well those reasons are grade a bullshit, lets compare to our newest elite SRMN, who won his poll with no votes against him.

   

  Kirk Hammett: 101mil MMed

  Paco: 84mil MMed

   

  Winner: Kirk

   

  Kirk Hammett: 5 Posts Per day

  Paco: 3 posts per day

   

  Winnder: Kirk

   

  And as for members not knowing him, he doesn’t have 700 msn friends for no reason, he is on everyday talking to people and the fact of the matter is that he is being voted against in the elites because certain members with more influence don’t know him. That’s some bullshit if I have ever seen it.



   That is why I am pretty much jumping ship, I no longer wish to be associated with this group anymore (Runecore Included). So goodbye to elite for me, and I hope this will explain why I’m resigning… I can only hope this will do more good then bad.

   

  Do not remove this post either because it is not flame in any way, none of it is personal, im just talking about things as a whole and it is my way of seeing things plus it will help me explain as to why I am no longer elite from this moment on.








Ps:  none of my votes or reccomendations made before this are void, they still count


Added: now apparently kirk lost his poll because in the very last minute a member who isnt online on ttg, msn or ventrilo told a mod that he wanted his vote changed...

[JB Lee]

I have tried my hardest to ignore you and get passed this...i even gave you elite back on runecore...i havent said a single bad thing about you in forever...but the fact of the matter is i dont care...im through arguing...

you can say all you want about whatever you want, this is the last time i will post in this thread...

go ahead...im not goign to argue...i know i am right...allanon didnt de-elite me because i was right...thats all i have to say...

so long bud, been nice knowing you

[Allanon]

Reazee, I want you to read over what you said.  If IHMU was MMing a trade for Zack the Man, and something happened where the other person scammed in the middle of the trade (leaving IHMU suspect but still not guilty) then Zack the Man took IHMU's MSN for a night, and didn't say anything to anyone from it.  Would I de-elite Zack the Man? Of Course I wouldn't... It all depends on the circumstance.

Also, as a side note though, I'm not unfair, when Everlasting Death screwed around with Runecore, I didn't de-elite him.  I made a rule about it, yes, but there were more than a few legit reasons behind that rule, including what happened at ton talk.

Also regarding the one week poll.  If you would recall, JB Lee's one week poll was a tie indeed, but it was also the FIRST one week poll to ever tie, so you can't say a tie was a loss in one week polls before, a tie was and is a loss only in the first poll as it is trying to get in and the week poll is only to let them stay in so it can allow for some slack.

Reazee, you may have noticed a trend of things.  You didn't get voted into the elites because of me, you got voted in because you knew who to talk to, you made friends with other elites and took advantage of that.  Not saying you shouldn't have or I would have done differently but you did.

Regarding tontalk, there is much more to it than that, and it has already been resolved with Nick.

Finally, regarding the poll of kirk hammet.  If you would recall, I closed the poll early and you re-opened it.  If Cursed said that he did not request for his vote to be changed as we find out tomorrow.  If he indeed did not request a vote change then it will be changed back and Kirk will stay elite.

I agree that things there are problems with the elite system, and I am willing to work to change it, as you have seen with recent efforts from Littlefly and I.  Saying that they are beyond repair is wrong.

Everybody has their views on things you included, of course they will sway their opinions some.  However, When I do something, like make a new rule regarding the one week poll, I may have done it with one of the reasons to keep JB Lee elite because I thought he deserved it, but that wasn't my only reason.  I would never have done it JUST to keep JB Lee an elite, that is a bit too corrupt for me.  I also recognized that it was a problem for members who were generally well liked and trusted but have an influential elite such as yourself have a grudge against them to try and get in.

It is impossible to have people's personal opinions not get in the way, whether in making new rules, voting in a poll or anything else.  Am I at wrong for that? sure.  But I still try and be fair, and try and make up for what I do wrong by doing other things right.

Even if you don't want to be a part of it, I don't think I will de-elite you, you have been a good friend since you joined, and you are always welcome at TTG.  Right now what you are doing is giving up, and instead wouldn't it be better to work on ways to improve the elites instead of turning your back to them?

Well whatever you decide, you have been a good elite and I hope you decide to stay.

-Allanon

EDIT:Moved topic to General Discussion so it would take longer to go down the page.

[Yded]

Reazee, I have always been a supporter of you, even though I knew it would go against the objections of many people that I have tried hard to be friends with, such as JBLee. I knew that both you and JBLee had your reasons to be angry against one another,and I knew that both of you had your rights and your wrongs.
When you screwed up Runecore, I was pretty frustrated, wondering why such a trusted and valuable member of both TTG and Runecore would mess up a forum owned by a good friend. I found out some information about the ordeal and hoped that you would come back so you could fix what had happened and try and put it behind you.
You finally did, and found out that your status had been re-elevated; not quite to the Runecore admin status as before, but JBLee did have his personal reasons to not make you admin. I was glad, because I never really had the chance to get to know you as well.
Although I am sure you have personal reasons to leave other than the ones listed above, I think TTG is at a (more) critical stage that should allow you to rethink your decision of leaving elite anti scammers. Your argument of saying elite anti scammers having a leadership quality is absolutely right. There is no doubt in my mind that they don't. But thinking your resignation of elite is somehow going to do something is skewed. Your influence could help express your opinions. And I also agree that Tyler deserves elite, but I think that both of them deserve it, not just one of them. Tyler is actually very active on the forums, and I think that is an illegitimate reason to vote against him.

All in all, in my opinion, I don't think that you should leave. But I also think that you should allow others to have their own opinions, even if it means having a bias against you or other people. I hope that nobody takes offense in what I wrote or hates me because I have supported what Reazee has said. I agree a lot but not all with Allanon, and this is not because of some sort of imposing factor he holds on me. This is because he has supported what makes sense.

Thanks and I hope you stay,
Yded

[Small Shoe Magoo]

We've been through a lot together, and right now I don't have the time to write the huge super duper important paragraphs theyre saying above, but, Talk to me on msn b4 you leave =\, Don't want to not get to say goodbye.

[Homer Jay Simpson]

didnt talk to ya much reazee..but i thought u were pretty cool..gl with what u do man http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

[Snake-Master]

Whats the point in leaving elites, if you dont like the system then help change and improve the system, leaving wont help it imporve at all. You earnt elite, you didnt get in because of some kind of popularity vote. The only way Allanons going to let you out of the elites is if you scam.

PS - Allanon I sent you a PM http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />

[greazee]

[quote name=\'JBLee / Jason\' post=\'384802\' date=\'Sep 3 2007, 09:16 PM\']I have tried my hardest to ignore you and get passed this...i even gave you elite back on runecore...i havent said a single bad thing about you in forever...but the fact of the matter is i dont care...im through arguing...

you can say all you want about whatever you want, this is the last time i will post in this thread...

go ahead...im not goign to argue...i know i am right...allanon didnt de-elite me because i was right...thats all i have to say...

so long bud, been nice knowing you[/quote]

this wasnt in any way directed towards you, I am not resigning because your elite and im not saying you should be de elited.

[greazee]

[quote name=\'Zack The Man\' post=\'384836\' date=\'Sep 3 2007, 11:25 PM\']We've been through a lot together, and right now I don't have the time to write the huge super duper important paragraphs theyre saying above, but, Talk to me on msn b4 you leave =\, Don't want to not get to say goodbye.[/quote]
i am umm... not leaving just resigning from elites... well i suppose i never really came back to blackmarkets until i wanted to help paco with RSGod and got sucked back in...

*cough* killinghookers.net/forum *end cough*


[quote name=\'Homer Jay Simpson\' post=\'384837\' date=\'Sep 3 2007, 11:25 PM\']didnt talk to ya much reazee..but i thought u were pretty cool..gl with what u do man http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />[/quote]

yeah, didnt talk much but you always seemed like you were a cool person, although it was hard to keep track of who you were since you have a different name on pretty much every site http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' /> and thank you


[quote name=\'The Cursed\' post=\'384857\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 02:27 AM\']Whats the point in leaving elites, if you dont like the system then help change and improve the system, leaving wont help it imporve at all. You earnt elite, you didnt get in because of some kind of popularity vote. The only way Allanons going to let you out of the elites is if you scam.

PS - Allanon I sent you a PM http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\'\' />[/quote]

the point in me leaving is because I do not wish to be associated with the group, its nothing personal towards anyone. I just dont like where the group is heading, there is more to it then what I wrote, but I dont wish to say it because I dont wanna get people worked up over it. If I cannot leave the elites then I no longer wish to have an account on this site, that just seems a little out of whack.

[Snowzak]

JB Lee became "SUPER" Trusted because he made his own site..

And if you don't agree with JBLee, Everyone follows.

Anti Scammers aren't what they used to be.

[greazee]

[quote name=\'Allanon\' post=\'384813\' date=\'Sep 3 2007, 09:40 PM\']Reazee, I want you to read over what you said.  If IHMU was MMing a trade for Zack the Man, and something happened where the other person scammed in the middle of the trade (leaving IHMU suspect but still not guilty) then Zack the Man took IHMU\'s MSN for a night, and didn\'t say anything to anyone from it.  Would I de-elite Zack the Man? Of Course I wouldn\'t... It all depends on the circumstance.[/quote]

we have argued over this on msn plenty of times and I dont think I have much more to say on that

Also, as a side note though, I\'m not unfair, when Everlasting Death screwed around with Runecore, I didn\'t de-elite him.  I made a rule about it, yes, but there were more than a few legit reasons behind that rule, including what happened at ton talk.

he did receive punishment... he was de elited and banned on runecore

Also regarding the one week poll.  If you would recall, JB Lee\'s one week poll was a tie indeed, but it was also the FIRST one week poll to ever tie, so you can\'t say a tie was a loss in one week polls before, a tie was and is a loss only in the first poll as it is trying to get in and the week poll is only to let them stay in so it can allow for some slack.

you also ended it early, which left aragost not being able to vote (fairly certain he would have said no), which is also some pretty big slack... slack that you didnt give to Kirk Hammett, you let Aragost change Curseds vote without even talking to him, not to mention either for yes or no it was a bullshit reason. (Aragost Pretty much got 2 votes)

Reazee, you may have noticed a trend of things. You didn\'t get voted into the elites because of me, you got voted in because you knew who to talk to, you made friends with other elites and took advantage of that. Not saying you shouldn\'t have or I would have done differently but you did.

Regarding tontalk, there is much more to it than that, and it has already been resolved with Nick.

Finally, regarding the poll of kirk hammet. If you would recall, I closed the poll early and you re-opened it. If Cursed said that he did not request for his vote to be changed as we find out tomorrow. If he indeed did not request a vote change then it will be changed back and Kirk will stay elite.

get some proof and i will believe it, also if cursed is allowed to change his vote because of what he said earlier then so is paco, he told me on msn that he wanted his vote removed, but because kirk was winning that he wouldnt bother with it until he was losing... so that means paco requested his vote be removed if he started losing, meaning the poll with or without cursed changed vote is won because it can only end in a tie or win. I have proof as well, which i doubt anyone has when it comes to cursed deciding to change his vote BEFORE the poll ended.

I agree that things there are problems with the elite system, and I am willing to work to change it, as you have seen with recent efforts from Littlefly and I. Saying that they are beyond repair is wrong.

that is the biggest reason i am leaving, the ways you guys want would make it 10x worse.

[greazee]

Everybody has their views on things you included, of course they will sway their opinions some. However, When I do something, like make a new rule regarding the one week poll, I may have done it with one of the reasons to keep JB Lee elite because I thought he deserved it, but that wasn't my only reason. I would never have done it JUST to keep JB Lee an elite, that is a bit too corrupt for me. I also recognized that it was a problem for members who were generally well liked and trusted but have an influential elite such as yourself have a grudge against them to try and get in.

believe it or not, i am not the only one who had a problem with it, and also look what just happened with kirk hammett, he is a Very well liked person, deserves elite and is very trusted. He was going to easily win in the last day of his poll, the only ones with a problem with it were you JBLee and pureblood.

Then out of nowhere everyone starts changing their vote, elites who dont use the site come on to vote no and even a person who wasnt on to say anything about it had his vote changed...

yet with SRMN, a guy you Pureblood and JBLee like, gets his poll put up, he wins it with no problem... and now lets take a look at somethings, the reasons i have heard is that Paco is more trusted, more active and more known/liked by the community.

as i pointed out in the first post kirk has more posts/posts per day, more MM ammount / transactions and is ONLY on TTG... so 700 contacts would probly mean he is well liked by the community.

So... why is it that Paco won and Kirk didnt?

[JB Lee]

[quote name=\'Reazee\' post=\'384897\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 09:21 AM\']believe it or not, i am not the only one who had a problem with it, and also look what just happened with kirk hammett, he is a Very well liked person, deserves elite and is very trusted. He was going to easily win in the last day of his poll, the only ones with a problem with it were you JBLee and pureblood.

Then out of nowhere everyone starts changing their vote, elites who dont use the site come on to vote no and even a person who wasnt on to say anything about it had his vote changed...

yet with SRMN, a guy you Pureblood and JBLee like, gets his poll put up, he wins it with no problem... and now lets take a look at somethings, the reasons i have heard is that Paco is more trusted, more active and more known/liked by the community.

as i pointed out in the first post kirk has more posts/posts per day, more MM ammount / transactions and is ONLY on TTG... so 700 contacts would probly mean he is well liked by the community.

So... why is it that Paco won and Kirk didnt?[/quote]

you should really ralk to us before posting something like that...

we, as a group (me, allanon, pureblood, aragost) have all decided to vote no for Paco on his one week...we decided this last night when i brought up the fact that the only reason we were voting yes for paco is because he is our friend and gets on vent...

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sorry, said i wasnt going to post on this thread...but i just thught you should know the facts

[Snowzak]

[quote name=\'JBLee / Jason\' post=\'384898\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 08:26 AM\']you should really ralk to us before posting something like that...

we, as a group (me, allanon, pureblood, aragost) have all decided to vote no for Paco on his one week...we decided this last night when i brought up the fact that the only reason we were voting yes for paco is because he is our friend and gets on vent...

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sorry, said i wasnt going to post on this thread...but i just thught you should know the facts[/quote]
Yeah, He "Does" Get on Vent..But where does he go?..Hmm, ADMIN CHANNEL Oh guess why? To talk behind our backs. Yeah, Thats just soo Cool!

[Stop Reading My Name]

[quote name=\'Snowzak\' post=\'384946\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 09:44 AM\']Yeah, He "Does" Get on Vent..But where does he go?..Hmm, ADMIN CHANNEL Oh guess why? To talk behind our backs. Yeah, Thats just soo Cool![/quote]

Lol to talk behind our backs.. that's funny.. if you only knew what was we were talking about lol..

[JB Lee]

[quote name=\'Snowzak\' post=\'384946\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 11:44 AM\']Yeah, He "Does" Get on Vent..But where does he go?..Hmm, ADMIN CHANNEL Oh guess why? To talk behind our backs. Yeah, Thats just soo Cool![/quote]

he goes to the admin channel because, NEWS FLASH, he is an admin.....lol

[kirk hammett]

EVERYTHING you said is 100% true, And its sad..I'm not in there "click", NOR would i want to be, so they think of lame excuses to vote no, "im not active" "but i have 500 posts and ive been here 4 year" and shit like that.

This is what someone told me,


You get access to a crappy forum and pretend that the elites are functioning the way they should when really its a big pile of crap
oh and your opinion will be overpowered by allanons, which means if you say something towards him you will have like 5 people on your
ass for reasons they dont really know. (not my words.)

[kirk hammett]

jblee..u said u wernt gonna post anymore on this thread..

[JB Lee]

[quote name=\'JBLee / Jason\' post=\'384898\' date=\'Sep 4 2007, 09:26 AM\']sorry, said i wasnt going to post on this thread...but i just thught you should know the facts[/quote]

[greazee]

thats racist ^^^^