Author Topic: Rules for TTG (Read 203 times)

greazee · « **on:** November 23, 2007, 05:54:55 PM »

Apparently once JB Lee started telling Allanon what to do when he refused to mod it was made that the TTG rules are the Runecore ones... which means that the TTG rules for for sale / wanted are made by runecore elites and not TTG Elites... thats stupid they need to be made by us....

Yded · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:07:33 PM »

i say ttg cause i think although ttg and runecore are "connected" i think they should be seperate in terms of rules and people, etc.

i dont have access to the elite vent cuz its for runecore elites only, so why do that with rules?

JB Lee · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:10:21 PM »

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407777\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 04:54 PM\']Apparently once JB Lee started telling Allanon what to do when he refused to mod it was made that the TTG rules are the Runecore ones... which means that the TTG rules for for sale / wanted are made by runecore elites and not TTG Elites... thats stupid they need to be made by us....[/quote]
The TTG rules are made by ME, not RuneCore elites...I did not do it as the owner of RuneCore, i did it as a member of TTG...

at the time, there were absolutely no rules other than the TTG rules that Josetann made which had nothing to do with the blackmarket like no warez / no porn and whatnot...

I asked repeatedly for a set of rules, nothing was done...people started doing things that were obviously bad, but nothing could be done because they "weren't in the rules"...

So, i made rules, i had pureblood pin them...no one complained...

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I am REALLY getting sick of getting yelled at by everyone for trying to help the site...

Everything I do is in the best interest of the site, everything I say / suggest is something that I believe will more than help the site in a significant way...

And yet I am constantly getting flamed (both outright, and subtly) by just about everyone...

greazee · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:10:40 PM »

^^ exactly... unless every elite on ttg is elite on runecore then we shouldnt use the rules made by there elites...

JB Lee · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:15:13 PM »

[quote name=\'Yded\' post=\'407784\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 05:07 PM\']i say ttg cause i think although ttg and runecore are "connected" i think they should be seperate in terms of rules and people, etc.

i dont have access to the elite vent cuz its for runecore elites only, so why do that with rules?[/quote]
The ventrilo server IS the RuneCore ventrilo server...when REAZEE through a fit and got RuneCore taken down by our hosting, causing what we thought was the end of RuneCore, I made it the TTG ventrilo server. then when RuneCore got opened back up a few days later, i returned it to the RuneCore ventrilo server and continued to allow TTG users onto it. The "Elite Channel" is for RuneCore elites only, as it is the RuneCore ventrilo server.

The thread pinned in the three main RS sections on TTG are not the RuneCore rules, they are the TTG rules. I edited the rules entirely to fit TTG. There are no rules about reputation system abuse in them, among many other differences.

If someone had taken up the responsibility of creating a list of rules back when I had brought it up in the first place, then I would not have done that. But of course, again, everything I do is wrong...

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407786\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 05:10 PM\']^^ exactly... unless every elite on ttg is elite on runecore then we shouldnt use the rules made by there elites...[/quote]
as I said, it wasn't made by the runecore elites...it was made by ME...

Me, as in the only person that cared enough to make them...

I did not go to RuneCore and say "hey, lets make rules for TTG"...i didnt even do that to make rules for RuneCore...

As the owner of RuneCore, I sat down and carefully thought them up for RuneCore...

And then, as the only person who cared enough to do it on TTG, i sat down and carefully thought up rules for TTG. Don't blame me if they are similar...the sites are, in fact, very similar...

JB Lee · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:23:32 PM »

I am editing this poll to something that isnt a complete lie...

I am changing is from:

Who should be the ones to make the TTG rules?
- TTG Elites
- RuneCore Elites

to:

Should we change the current list of rules?
- yes
- no

Yded and Reazee, please inform me of what you want to vote, as I have cleared your votes and you will be unable to physically vote now in the newly edited poll.

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The RuneCore elites had nothing to do with the TTG Rules, or even the RuneCore rules...and I demand that they be left out of this...

greazee · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:44:02 PM »

rules should be ttgs rules not runecore rules so my vote is yes

JB Lee · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:48:27 PM »

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407804\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 05:44 PM\']rules should be ttgs rules not runecore rules so my vote is yes[/quote]
just had to throw that in didn't you

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added your vote.

Small Shoe Magoo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2007, 06:58:25 PM »

The rules are fine, except for a few, which I think should be discussed, for example, the punishment of phishing... etc.

greazee · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2007, 07:07:19 PM »

well we had rules that were well known and now suddenly we go by the rules of runecore... it doesnt mean all of our rules are different, it means we will decide our rules based on this forum and not runecore.

JB Lee · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2007, 08:16:54 PM »

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407816\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 06:07 PM\']well we had rules that were well known and now suddenly we go by the rules of runecore... it doesn't mean all of our rules are different, it means we will decide our rules based on this forum and not runecore.[/quote]
You might think that everyone knew the rules...but you can't just have rules that just float around...you have to make them into text so that everyone can see and understand them. Just saying "the rules state that you cant do this" isn't good enough if there isnt anythign that actually says it...

I actually took the time to write down rules...something that OBVIOUSLY needed to be done...i asked repeatedly, MANY TIMES, for someone to do it and I finally gave up...

The fact is: The RS Blackmarket section of TTG = an RS Blackmarket, RuneCore = an RS Blackmarket...the rules are bound to be similar...especially when it is the same person writing it...but what I don't like about it is that I am the one being yelled at for writing the rules...the only person who actually cared enough to do it is getting yelled at for doing it...thats just insane in my eyes...

[quote name=\'Zack The Man\' post=\'407810\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 05:58 PM\']The rules are fine, except for a few, which I think should be discussed, for example, the punishment of phishing... etc.[/quote]
I really don't feel like getting into this again right now, but...

Phishing is illegal, i will give you that. But so is selling drugs, or killing a cat. Are you saying that we should ban anyone who admits to doing any type of illegal activity?

My answer to this would be, yes, if they are selling the drugs through he forum, or posting explicit pictures of themselves killing the cat. But if they did it outside of the forum, and it is in no-way connected to the site, then I really don't see a reason they should be banned.

Then you will probably say, "Well, they are scamming people on RuneScape, thats close enough"...well, are we going to ban someone off of TTG because they are luring in-game? Of course not...that would just be stupid... In game scamming is no where close to scamming someone on the forum. I will admit that if one scams in game it is probable more likely that they will scam on the forum. But more likely does not equal absolutely...

I say, as long as they aren't posting on TTG saying "Look RS3 Beta: <link>", then they really aren't doing anything worth a forum ban...

Of course, the final decision is up to Josetann, and I really hope he responds to this so that we can officially put the subject to rest.

littlefly1 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2007, 08:34:13 PM »

Well we should make a list of rules that are different on ttg and rc. Then from there we should just let some mods decide which rule should be best out of maybe 10 that were different for both, like they decide which one is best for all 10. Know what i mean but..just let mods decide because elites and mods just wont work. lmao...

kirk hammett · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2007, 10:05:43 PM »

greazee · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2007, 12:14:50 AM »

you didnt say write rules for ttg, and there were well known rules and for the scenarios that were different from normal were handled individually... and they still should be, when it gets into complicated situations then there are rules better left liquid.

JB Lee · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2007, 12:26:47 AM »

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407902\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 11:14 PM\']you didnt say write rules for ttg[/quote]
I asked pureblood and allanon many times...I also asked repeatedly for the thread written by bloodogre about official MM's to be re-posted by someone who doesn't have "IM A SCAMMER!!!" in size 7 font in their sig...that got ignored as well...

Personally, I think that Rules should be written by the people who can enforce them...IE: Admins and Mods...or in TTG's case, Mods, since they are being written for a section in which the Admins are not the main rule enforcers. I gave Pureblood and Allanon more than enough chances and finally took it upon myself to make them.

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Just because it isn't in posts on TTG doesn't mean I didn't say it. In the 5-6 hours a day I spend on ventrilo with them both, things such as this have come up more than you can imagine...

[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'407902\' date=\'Nov 23 2007, 11:14 PM\']for the scenarios that were different from normal were handled individually... and they still should be, when it gets into complicated situations then there are rules better left liquid.[/quote]
and where did I say special situations wouldn't be taken into consideration? that happens all the time and is to be more than expected...

Small Shoe Magoo · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2007, 03:37:57 AM »

.... I said the topic should be discussed within the group, and that was not the only topic I was pointing at.

It didn't need a long explanation of why you think phishing is alright to some extent.

Snake-Master · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2007, 06:04:04 AM »

Rules are rules in my opinion. Runecore and TTG are both blackmarkets, and if the rules suit Runecore they are bound to suit here. Just because JBlee is the owner of another blackmarket doesnt mean he cant come up with rule suggestions somewhere else. I have to agree Phishing should stay banner, Jollyman set up a giant phihing site, and made billions and he got banned for it, which is only right because it is SCAMMING.

We coud remake the rules, but they would be the same as JBlees anyway, so just stick to the current ones.

PS - JBlee you SAT down to make up the rules, you mean you were STANDING in the first place, thats something new... Didnt know you could stand up

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JB Lee · « **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2007, 08:51:54 AM »

[quote name=\'The Cursed\' post=\'407941\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 05:04 AM\']I have to agree Phishing should stay banner, Jollyman set up a giant phihing site, and made billions and he got banned for it, which is only right because it is SCAMMING.[/quote]
That is not why jollyman got banned. I can't remember why, but I know it wasn't for phishing...i know allanon will remember though.

[quote name=\'The Cursed\' post=\'407941\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 05:04 AM\']PS - JBlee you SAT down to make up the rules, you mean you were STANDING in the first place, thats something new... Didnt know you could stand up

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[quote name=\'Zack The Man\' post=\'407927\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 02:37 AM\'].... I said the topic should be discussed within the group, and that was not the only topic I was pointing at.

It didn't need a long explanation of why you think phishing is alright to some extent.[/quote]
I am pretty sure that discussion involves giving opinions...

Sorry if mine doesn't count of something, I was only giving mine...

greazee · « **Reply #18 on:** November 24, 2007, 03:41:34 PM »

[quote name=\'The Cursed\' post=\'407941\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 05:04 AM\']Rules are rules in my opinion. Runecore and TTG are both blackmarkets, and if the rules suit Runecore they are bound to suit here. Just because JBlee is the owner of another blackmarket doesnt mean he cant come up with rule suggestions somewhere else. I have to agree Phishing should stay banner, Jollyman set up a giant phihing site, and made billions and he got banned for it, which is only right because it is SCAMMING.

We coud remake the rules, but they would be the same as JBlees anyway, so just stick to the current ones.

PS - JBlee you SAT down to make up the rules, you mean you were STANDING in the first place, thats something new... Didnt know you could stand up

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im not saying change the rules because JB Lee made them, im saying we had well known rules before and now they have been changed because of the Runecore rules... such as people with fake transactions... that used to get people banned here and when i told allanon about someone last night JB Lee pointed out that its only a "level 4 offense" which isnt getting banned... thats dumb that were gonna change the rules here because of Runecores rules... im saying we should stick with the original ones we had and not switch to the runecore ones which apparently happened at some point recently...

JB Lee · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2007, 03:45:52 PM »

We DID NOT have any rules...they were not written down anywhere and they were not known AT ALL by new members...

Quit callign the rules we have now the "RuneCore Rules" they ARE NOT the RuneCore rules...the rules that I have set up on RuneCore are different in many ways...

And you are trying to blame this whole fake transaction thing on me...as I said many times, it was Allanon that refused to let me ban someone with fake transactions, that was his rule. I had it listed as a level 5 but he told me to change to a level 4.

Stop trying to blame everything on me and RuneCore. The rules are completely different, and they did not replace any rules on TTG, there WERE NO RULES!

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