Author Topic: REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??  (Read 1744 times)

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« on: December 14, 2002, 03:07:17 AM »
This is weird. First for me for sure.
Here\'s what happened. I rebooted my pc..ok when it rebooted it said something almost identical to this

Disk read error occured
Press alt+Ctrl+Del to restart

Ok so my 40gig hdd might or might not be screwed. It wont boot so im guessing i might need a replacement??? who knows.

Ok so i throw in my win2k cd to boot off of and intall it to another 40gig hdd i have. Ok it wont boot. It flash\'s the screen black then says exactly...

PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT

Ok...no clue. I have tried my REAL windows 2000 cd and a 3in1 i made with diskemu...both lead me to that screen. They just wont boot anymore.

Now, i have a ghost win98 cd i made. I used winimage to create the flp. img. Then i used nero to create the iso and use that .img to use to boot.  It works fine.

So im taking it my pc wont boot the win2k cd because...well i dont know. It used to...used to boot anything bootable i threw at it. It seems it will only boot floppy emulation now?? I mean that is what nero did when i used that .img to boot from.

I have no clue what to try now. I have also remade a win2k cd with the correct sector and it still dont work. Nothing will boot but that damn nero boot cd i made. (i guess really i should be thankfull for that)

Im confused enough about the hdd. I can load the *broken* hdd that gives me that read error report fine in NTFS PRO fine. I can acess it TOTALLY fine because i used dao16bit to burn a cd off it in DOS mode...worked fine. I can browse all my NTFS drives in dos with NTFSPro. However one thing stranged i noticed is that it gives me the same drive listed as g: and I:. Now the g: drive is split to 2 partitions. 30gig ntfs..and 8gig fat. The 8gig fat drive is listed in DOS without using ntfspro or anything as C:. I think it is just NTFSPro getting confused about the partitions on the NTFS drives and what partitions already exist in DOS. I dont know...but i do know all is fine with the drives as far as reading data from them to burn cds.

Is this my bios???

If it is my bios...how come it will boot the nero made cd and not the real thing???

Also if i try to boot the 40gig fat drive...with nothing on it at all or NO OS it gives me the PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT. error.   HOWEVER...if i try to boot the 40gig NTFS drive that is *broken* it gives me that disk read error msg. So it is noticing that they are 2 different drives...just one gives me a read error..and the other doesnt. So it seems it *MIGHT* want to boot the drive that has the read error..but cant.

Then again...

I have installed and ghosted win98se to a fat drive all by itself in the system and it wont even boot. I thought i could just do a dirty upgrade to win2k from 98, fix the drive errors there, backup, and then reinstall win2k normally. However i have tried that...it wont boot a HDD at all it seems. It ONLY likes that nero CD.

PLEASE HELP. ANY ideas are GREATLY appreciated. I cant get crap to work.

thanks again,
clueless.

cheap listing of what i have tried and got to boot

Booted?__drv#__FSys.__msg

NO__hdd1__NTFS__Disk read error
NO__hdd1__FAT32__Press a key to reboot
NO__hdd1,part.2__FAT&NTFS__Pess a key to reboot
NO__cdrom1__win2kcd(REAL)__Press a key to reboot
NO__cdrom2__win2kcd(REAL)__Press a key to reboot
NO__cdrom1__win2k 3in1__Press a key to reboot
NO__cdrom2__win2k 3in1__Press a key to reboot
YES__cdromX__Nero made win98 cd using a 98.img file for emu.

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2002, 07:52:35 PM »
I gotta bump this...i still am at the same point as i have been after about 5 more hours of R&D...although there is no D in R&D in this case

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2002, 11:33:13 AM »
Did you try \" fdisk /status \" on the bad disk , or fdisk /mbr
Did you try  to get into your bios
Don\'t you have a ghost image of the partitition or bad disk on a hardisk .
You then just need ghost.exe (2003) or ghostpe.exe (2002) . ,I allways make boot floppies with nghost and copy the images on a fat32 hd .I don\'t trust cdrom images .I allways keep a copy of ghost.exe , ntldr ,ntdtect.com , win.ini  on the fat 32 hd too .
If you could copy the images of w2k you made on cdr  on a hardisk perhaps you could put them on the partition or drive again with ghost.exe .

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2002, 10:17:50 PM »
Well the drives in question now are the ntfs drives.
I dont :-( have a .gho of a win2k OS..only 98 :-(.
However i have no clue what to do.
It wont boot anything but that disc. And even if i only have
1 hdd in my pc totally formated with fat32 with a 98se OS on it...it wont boot that.

I think i need a new mobo and bad.
The only thing i can do with my 1.33ghz with 512 ram and all sorts of expansion cards now is run DOS 16bit. I got .mp3\'s working on it :-)...but still that is lame compared to what it should/could be doing.

DOS16bit in retrospective is horrible

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2002, 01:56:24 PM »
Is the hd fat 32 with win98se recognized in the bios.
If yes , and it won\'t boot it could be a corrupt master boot record so fdisk /mbr would be appropriate (it\'s worth to try).
Windows 98 boots with dos , perhaps the  necessary dos files aren\'t present
\"command.com , msdos.sys ,io.sys ,drvspace.bin\" and should be installed with sys.com which is part of erd.cab together with fdisk, format etc...on the win98se setup floppy.
Just trying to be of some help you know ,

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2002, 02:49:21 PM »
Helpfull it is...extremely. Now here\'s a ? though. The fat32 hdd i have is not the same one as the NTFS hdd that i was using when all this started.

It says \"Disk Read Error\". Can that error mean it is a MBR issue???

To get the NTFS drive back, which is what i would like to do because i just today realized i have .txt list files with all my .mp3\'s, could i fix the mbr without formatting??? I have fixed the mbr before from having a Linux install go bad...but when i did i just reformatted the partition that had win2k on it.

Disk Read Error

very open-ended message

fdisk cant do ntfs...so i guess i might try partition magic???

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2002, 04:59:26 AM »
Fdisk sees the ntfs disks  (fdisk /status).
On my computer it sees my three disks , and indicates my E: fat32 drive 3rd disk and  as C:  drive , same as Norton Ghost boot floppy does .
disk - drv - mbytes -free - usage
  1              17500              
  2               17500
  3               17500
          c :     17500
I wonder, if it sees the disks , why shouldn\'t it be able to  change or repair the bootsector , or partition them and format them  . I suppose fdisk sees only the bootsector and don\'t has to read the disk  so it doesn\'t matter if it\'s ntfs or not .The bootsector must contain the necessary info . That\'s what I suppose .
I know if you install the recovery consoll you can use fixboot , fixmbr a.s.o , but if your cdrom isn\'t bootable it\'s senseless, so the only way to do something must be fdisk (sorry but I never used partition magic , because I only make one partition on my hdisks ). I have made a floppy with boot.ini ntldr and ntdetect.com on it so if my harddisk doesn\'t boot anymore I still have the floppy .I also need the floppy to start win2k because if I start it the normal way it gives me corrupt or absent   system file , but I can start winxp with the floppy  too .I also have an option of starting the recovery console(cmdcons on ntfs drive c:) in my boot.ini .
Your \"disk read error \" could be a bootrecord read error as all the info of the disk must be on the bootsector .
At least that\'s a possible explanation .
You can allways detach all the good hdisks  before using fdisk   on a defective hdisk , so you don\'t have to pay attention to the numbers of the disks you want to handle .

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2002, 05:24:51 AM »
I must have a bootleg version of fdisk because i tried the /mbr an it said invalid switch...i tried several syntax\'s with no luck.

anyhow i used zorch...it worked...i can now boot a hdd. However, win2k setup gives me a error saying something about the txtsetup.sif file is invalid. However, get this. It is now currently working...but i loaded the setup from a unatted.txt file from the ram drive..only ? is if that file will hold.

Something must be wrong with that NTFS drive i had as primary master before...my bios keeps detecting like every other time.

Thanks for the info..i have succesfffully got setup to run and the hdd to work.

im rrrrreal tired..got to go to sleep

thanks to you i have gone from DefCon1 to DefCon4

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2002, 09:17:26 AM »
w.m.p., by the way , what\'s \"zorch\" apart from having to do something with music .

Space Between

  • Guest
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2002, 01:21:31 AM »
zorch is  utility that \"zorch\'s\" the mbr...just clears it out
after you run it...it says \"byebye mbr\"

btw what\'s w.m.p.  :-)

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2002, 05:50:18 AM »
\"wmp\"  is short for  \"with most pleasure\",
We could eventually  repond that when we got the signal \"psb\"  (naval term)
\"please send boat\"   ;-)  , or something like \" asap \".As they use btw overhere (by the way , I suppose ) btw means %taxes on things you buy in a store in Belgium and the Netherlands .

Offline rdc

  • enthusiast
  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 372
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
REAL win2k cd wont boot...but dos emu cd does??
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2002, 04:08:40 AM »
Just for info , gdisk /mbr (reinitializes the master boot record ). Gdisk is part of Norton Ghost .
if fdisk doesn\'t do the job