Windows 2000 Error

[NewAtThis]

I reciently installed Windows 2000 on a 450 mhz PC successfully  
using NTFS when that option came up. It worked pretty well. I told my father to try the same with his 350 mhz AMD based PC and at
the very end of the install when it was completing final tasks
(REGISTERS COMPONENTS) he got the error Unexpected Kernal Mode Trap  ... Physical Memory is being dumped. He now cannot reinstall Windows 98 either as the hard disk is mostly NTFS ... any ideas as to how to correct this and install Windows 2000 ?  Would trying ot boot with a DOS floppy work and then trying to forma to FAT again be an option ?  Would greatly appreciate any help.  Thanks !

[Tracky110XP]

Try to re-format the hard drive in windows 2000, if you get the stop error again then pull all non-essitial hardware out of the system.

[NewAtThis]

Windows 2000 doesn\'t come up because the install didn\'t complete. Not sure what you mean by \'try  to format the disk in Windows 2000\'.  Do you mean try to format it then install Windows 2000 again  

Thanks

[Rampage]

Hi,

 Use your Win98 boot disk
 type at the command: format c: /s /q

 Answer yes and you\'ve got FAT32 agin. Instsall Win98.

[Tracky110XP]

what i mean by format in windows 2000 is that windows 2000 has it\'s own tools that will format the drive for you. these tools are better then the windows 98 tools and a lot different.

startt he w2k install by booting off the 2000 cd, (you may need to change the boot order first in the bios), after it loads for about a minute. press enter to install. F8 to the EULA, then if needed press ESC for a fresh install, here is the screen where you need to delete out the partitions and then press enter on the new partition and you will have the option to format it.

NO windows 98 tools are ever needed.

good luck

[Pralkash]

Hi, well that may work. else the easiest way is to reformat ur hard disk using any other bootdisk (u can make one from any other pc runing win98 or otherwise - add/remove programs - windows startup disk )

after booting from floppy just type FORMAT C:

done

[Space Between]

o o i got that before. Make a new cd of windows 2000 and just tell him to do the same stuff over again...exactly. It\'s your cd that is wacked out...actually your cdrom probably read it too fast.

btw your not using a winnt.sif file are ya?? If you are you might be trying to install some hardware with it you dont have on that machine. Honestly though i have got that msg and it was because of either the cd or the drive. I actually copied win2k onto a new cd (burned slow). Then i used a slower drive. I used a DVD rom that max\'s out at 32x for success. (the first drive was a 54x).  I have a strong feeling i got that message because the data was read either too fast off the disc or the disc wacked.

Also that machine wont work so fast running 2k without atleast 256MB RAM :-(. I know how your 450 performs because i got 2k on a machine with the same cpu i think (AMD K6?) and it does unexpectedly well. However your 350 will creep. Atleast my 400 did. To be honest the 450 probably wouldnt do so good if it didnt have 256MB of RAM. I did notice a very large difference in the 400 with 256MB RAM vs. the 450 with 256MB RAM.

On a 350mhz you have to expect to use atleast 256MB for it to run \"acceptably\". However \"acceptably\" might be different to you than it is me. Either way it will run on even a 133mhz with 32MB RAM (seen it...very painfull).

Also if the HDD is smaller than ~25gigs you probably want to stick with FAT32 because it should access quicker at that size than running ntfs.

[Anonymous]

Do whatever you do, DO NOT install Windows 98! if you have win2k, why should you even think of installing Win98? Unless you like to play Ctrl+Alt+Del and Scandisk 3 or 4 times a day...

[NewAtThis]

When he tries to type Format C;  from the DOS Prompt that apears after installation of Windows 98 fails due to lack of disk space (it can\'t see the mostly NTFS 6 gig hard drive) it only formats a little 6 meg or so piece of the hard drive that is not NTFS, It doesn\'t seem to reformat the NTFS to FAT. How do you change the BIOS to alter the boot order ?  The Windows 2000
CD is ignored when put in the hard drive that\'s why he tried the 98 again. Could you be more specific on how to use the Windows 2000 tools ?  Are any of those rescue/install disks on ebay of any value ?      Thanks

[Anonymous]

First off.......do you have an upgrade or a full installation disc of 2000.  If you have a full install disc, YOU WILL NEVER NEED ANYTHING FROM THE 98 OS (boot disk or installation CD).  If you have an upgrade disc, the 2000 install will prompt you when it needs the 98 disc (it only needs to read it for a minute and then needs the 2000 disc for the rest of the install).

Starting from scratch, step by step you need to boot your computer off of the 2000 disc (full or upgrade, it does not matter).  If you can not boot off of the 2000 disc, you need to go into the BIOS and change your boot sequence to read off of the CD ROM before the Hard Drive.  You know the disc is being read if you get a message that says \"press and key to boot off cd......\".  Once you get into the setup, make sure you install a fresh copy of windows 2000.  The 2000 setup will recognize the entire size of your hard drive, delete whatever partitions exist and create a new partition(s).  Then format the drive using NTFS or FAT, I prefer NTFS, and then you are off.  The rest is just walking throght the setup.

[Twinkie]

The 6 meg space at the end is left by 2000 in case you upgrade to a dynamic disk.  You need to go into fdisk and remove the NTFS partition if you want to go back to 98.  Other disk utilitie programs could help make it easier but should not be needed.

Space is correct about the HD or CD being too fast.  I have had the same errors before on older CPU\'s.  Mine was a K6-2 that had the problem.  Of course the K6-2 had many other problems that could have been involved as well.

On you bios boot screen it will ask for DEL or F? to enter setup.  Hit that key and then change the boot order.  Boot order is in different places for each BIOS vendors.  Poke around and you will see it.   Look for something listing CDROM, A:, Removable devices, Harddrive and such.  That is the line most likely.

Hope this helps,

[Anonymous]

Alright, sounds like you are more than just a newbie at this.  And I wonder how much of the techical jargon posted here you really understand.  Try to follow me and let me know if you can\'t.

First of all, for our purposes I will assume that have a full version CD of Windows 2000 Professional.

The Windows 2000 Professional Setup contains a blue screen with the things mentioned by Tracky110XP.  Make sure you get past the License Agreement (EULA) by pressing F8, and, as he mentions, pres ESC to run a fresh installation if necessary.  On the next screen, delete all partitions that you can until you have just one big partition.  When you hit ENTER on the partition then to install the OS to that partition you will have a few MBs left over - typically 6-8 - and is used, as Twinkie mentions, to allow you to convert your disk to a dynamic disk once you have the operating system installed.  You will be asked how you want to format the partition.  Choose NTFS and let the setup program format your new partition.

After the format is complete setup will copy files to your hard drive from the CD.  Watch the copy process and make sure you don\'t tell it to skip any files that it can\'t read from the CD.  Sometimes, if the CD is scratched or if it is getting read too fast or any other number of problems that can cause input/output (I/O) problems, you will see a message that the file couldn\'t be found on the CD.  The message will prompt you to hit ENTER to retry or Ignore to skip the file and continue.  If you get this message window and you don\'t know what the file being identified is used for, retry or abort setup and get a good CD.  This message is more often than not the result of the CD being damaged.  If that still doesn\'t fix your problem get a new CD-ROM

Once the file copy process is complete Windows 2000 Setup should begin and you should be able to install the operating system with all your options selections.  If you do all this and you still can\'t get the operating system to install, you have a hardware issue that you should get resolved.

A note about Space Between\'s comment: he\'s right.  Depending on what you consider acceptable, the minimum system requirements for Windows 2000 Professional are not nearly enough to run the operating system and any other worthy programs.  While you can run Windows 2000 Professional on a 350MHz computer, the operating system itself takes up so many system resources (including RAM) that it is too difficult to run other programs.  At least upgrade the RAM in the computer if you cannot upgrade the CPU and motherboard (in other words, if you can\'t buy a new computer).

Hope this helps out a bit.