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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2007, 04:04:15 PM »
[quote name=\'JB Lee\' post=\'408037\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 02:45 PM\']We DID NOT have any rules...they were not written down anywhere and they were not known AT ALL by new members...

Quit callign the rules we have now the "RuneCore Rules" they ARE NOT the RuneCore rules...the rules that I have set up on RuneCore are different in many ways...

And you are trying to blame this whole fake transaction thing on me...as I said many times, it was Allanon that refused to let me ban someone with fake transactions, that was his rule. I had it listed as a level 5 but he told me to change to a level 4.

Stop trying to blame everything on me and RuneCore. The rules are completely different, and they did not replace any rules on TTG, there WERE NO RULES![/quote]

im not blaming the transaction thing on you or runecore, and how are those rules completely different? you copy and pasted them from runecore!

there were rules otherwise people wouldnt have been banned, your just trying to change this into something its not so that the real purpose behind this is forgotten and nothing changes.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2007, 04:14:11 PM »
There was no formal set of rules...people were banned whenever Allanon decided they should be banned...peopel were suspended for random amounts of time for doing random things whenever a mod decided they should get punished while others who did the same thing got no punishment...

There were no rules, just the people in charge doing things in a badly organized pattern...

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And AGAIN, for the thousandth time...I did not just copy and paste the rules from RuneCore to TTG, i edited many of them, I took out many of them, I added many of them...

I wrote RuneCore's rules as the owner of RuneCore, and I wrote TTG's rules as a member of TTG...two different people (make a joke about bipolar disorder and i swear...)...two different sets of rules...don't blame me for them being similar, the site content and purpose is the exact same...

The rules work perfectly, and it took you 3 months to realize you had a problem with them...and that problem isn't even something that was originally intended to be in there...yell at Allanon until he agrees to let me change that rule...
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2007, 04:26:55 PM »
he agreed with me but you were the one yelling at him! your the only one who seemed to have a problem with it... and it isnt even about that, its about ttg having rules that reflect the way this forum has been run in the past...

believe it or not it lack of specific rules wasnt the problem, it was people enforcing them as well as a majority of the people who created the system left, stopped or scammed... its like a government being overthrown and right now this is the chaos of people who didnt create it and dont have the power trying to bring it back... and i honestly think we should get a say from everyone who has some sort of rank (elite, mods, admins) and can be trusted to make the right decision to help create these rules that will dictate the way this forum is run...
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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2007, 04:35:13 PM »
[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'408054\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 03:26 PM\']he agreed with me but you were the one yelling at him! your the only one who seemed to have a problem with it... and it isnt even about that, its about ttg having rules that reflect the way this forum has been run in the past...[/quote]
I made a big deal out of it because he appeared to have forgotten the entire argument we had months ago when I was writing the rules. He forced me to add it as a level 4 offense and then as soon as it comes up this time he acts like that never happened and wants to know why it isn't a level 5...
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2007, 05:16:59 PM »
[quote name=\'JB Lee\' post=\'408037\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 03:45 PM\']I had it listed as a level 5 but he told me to change to a level 4.[/quote]
When did I say that exactly? I argued it as an individual case, which it was, when it was Jay -/- Ze, not for anybody, I didn't argue fake transactions shouldn't be bannable, you just interpreted that way.  Like Reazee said, there are certain individual situations, that you can't have a set in stone rule for.

But unless there is a rule somebody thinks is wrong, I see no point in having to change them... If they work and everybody agrees that they apply then what is the problem?  The only thing that I see people disagree with is Phishing (not gonna talk about it beyond that) and the fake transactions thing.  yea, if you disagree with something then talk about it and try and get it changed.  No point in re-writing everything if we would end up coming up with the same things anyway.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2007, 05:23:09 PM »
this is exactly what i was saying... it was an issue on runecore NOT ttg... it has always been fake transactions mean ban... im sure there will be more cases like this in the future as well, so im saying we should have everyone agree on rules based on TTGs past.
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2007, 05:26:27 PM »
[quote name=\'Febreazee\' post=\'408070\' date=\'Nov 24 2007, 05:23 PM\']this is exactly what i was saying... it was an issue on runecore NOT ttg... it has always been fake transactions mean ban... im sure there will be more cases like this in the future as well, so im saying we should have everyone agree on rules based on TTGs past.[/quote]

I can garuantee that 99% of the rules that were made for Runecore apply to TTG's past as well anyway.  The only one I see as being problomatic is that transactions one, unless you can find a list of other specific rules you don't think apply to TTG, and a good explanation why, I see no need why most of them need to change at all.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2007, 05:32:48 PM »
keep them the same, there is no problem with them.....whats the point of changing them
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[quote name='JBLee / Jason' post='295082' date='Feb 28 2007, 06:47 PM']gad damn u....i made a thread already IN THE RIGHT FORUM!!!!



why does every1 always do this...even if he is dead he would want us to put things in the right forum  [To Allanon's "dead" self][/quote]



BEST topic ever made on TTG right here

http://www.thetechguide.com/forum/index.ph...mp;#entry295295



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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2007, 05:55:24 PM »
People shouldn't be banned for stuff they do elsewhere.  It's like one of the few rules we have.  You can say things like "I have warez" or "I look at porn", just don't go linking to that stuff.  So if someone says they scammed, just flame them.  If they are actively trying to scan you using this site, ban them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2007, 05:59:17 PM »
^thank you, that was the point I was trying to make.

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The only exception I think I would like to bring up is if someone scams at RuneCore. Since most of us are active there and the 3 active Mods (Myself, Allanon, and Pureblood) are the ones banning them from there, I think it would only make since to ban them from TTG while we are at it.
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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2007, 06:12:08 PM »
what a cock fest this thread has turned into.


keep em the same
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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2007, 08:48:57 PM »
Ok, took a good look at the rules you made up.  Here's my comments:

Level One Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: Warn//2nd: 1 hour no posting//3rd: 12 hour no posting//4th: 3 day suspension

    * Completely Off-Topic Posts

Just tell them where the thread belongs and move it, Idle Chat is where everything goes that has no other place.  If it's habitual, then suspend them.

    * Posting in the Wrong Section

See above.

    * Other spam posts such as "Good Luck"

I have no problem with people posting things like that.  Now if someone is doing that just to increase their post count (joined one day ago with 500 posts with two words or less each), you can either have one of the admins do a mass-delete, or we can keep the posts but decrease their post count manually (mass-delete is better, if we ever do a recount then all their spam posts would count for them again).

    * Double/Triple Posting

If there's multiple posts with the same thing in one thread, they might have had a time-out and didn't know their post went through.  Just delete the extras.  If you're talking about posting in multiple forums, just delete all the threads except for one.

    * Asking to MM on people's threads

Whatever you think.

    * Gravedigging

I have no problem with people replying to old posts.  If they're expecting a response from the OP (such as in a for sale forum), feel free to point out when the thread was made and then close it.

Level Two Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: 1 hour no posting//2nd: 12 hour Suspension//3rd: 3 day Suspension//4th: 7 Day Suspension

    * Flaming in Posts/Thread titles/polls/ANY FLAMING

I think some flaming is ok.  If it gets heated they can take it to Idle Chat.  If this is a real problem, I can create a separate "Anything Goes" forum where you can flame away).

    * Making a thread directed at a single person (please send a PM)

Just point out that they're more likely to get a response with a PM, if they keep doing it then start warning/suspending them.

    * Advertising in a section other than Idle Chat

If it's just one or two occurrences and they really didn't know better, point it out to them.  If they know it's wrong and/or are spamming everywhere, immediate permanent ban.

    * Posting a "Free MM" thread before having been a member for more than 1 month

Whatever

    * Posting / Giving a Link to Porn

Nope, immediate ban.  No warnings.

Level Three Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: 12 Hour No Posting//2nd: 3 Day Suspension//3rd: Report to Admin - Ban

    * SELLING Any of the Following (its ok to give away for free):
      - LEGAL Programs
      - LEGAL Downloads
      - LEGAL Movies / Games

They may do this, but it HAS to be legal.  No just giving out a serial, they have to ship the software/movie/game/whatever.  If it's an online only thing, then they have to have permission from the creator to transfer the license (many programs you buy online either let you transfer it to someone else and have a way to do this, or don't allow it at all).

    * Selling, Giving Away, or Posting links to ILLEGAL downloads

Immediate ban.

    * Saying that you are an Elite / Mod / Admin of RuneCore or TTG (through MSN, in sigs, or any other method)

If someone impersonates themselves as a moderator or an admin of this site on this site, then I will ban them.  If they say they're a mod of this site on another site (i.e. they post on runecore saying they're a mod over here), I don't see a reason to ban them HERE, but definitely keep an eye on them.  If they say they're a mod elsewhere and they're not and they say that on THIS site, then just call them out on it.

Level Four Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: 3 Day Suspension//2nd: Report to Admin - Ban

    * Complete Spam (Same post over and over again)

If it's not advertising, warn them and mass-delete all their posts.

    * Threatening to Hack the Site or another member (Non-Jokingly)

If I catch them threatening to hack my site, I'll just ban them.

    * Buying or Selling Phishing/Pharming sites

Ban.

    * Fake Transactions

Whatever.

Level Five Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: Immediate Ban//2nd: Hunted Down and Raped

Take out the second one, it's not appropriate for this forum.

    * Scamming
    * Actually Hacking the Site or Another Member
    * Defacing a Site in ANY way that is affiliated with RuneCore or TTG
    * Posting / Giving a Link to Malicious Software or Downloads

All ok except for last one, and I'd only be lenient if they possibly didn't know it was malicious.  I.e. they try to be helpful and post a link to some anti-spyware program that actually contains spyware.  As for posting keyloggers and what-not and making them look like hacks, then yeah they know what they're doing so ban them.
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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2007, 09:17:03 PM »
Thank you for taking the time out to go over them all.

I will make the necessary adjustments as soon as I finish up something (or if another mod wants to take up the task now).

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Just a few comments on your comments:

The posting / giving a link to porn was mainly directed towards the softcore-ish porn that people had in their sigs. *Usually* the people posting actually posting porn are spam-bots, which I have always banned immediately. I didn't really think to add the rule "Being a spam-bot - pemanent ban", lol. But for active users who have many posts and its their first offense of something that is only loosely classified as porn, I was giving that punishment.

Usually, along with Flaming comes Racism, cursing, and utter inappropriateness. But if you think that you can trust the members enough to keep the flaming clean, then I guess.

I updated the RuneCore rules awhile back to include "(open source)" in the selling LEGAL downloads / programs. I forgot to do the same here at TTG. This was meant to be a rule about not selling programs that you get for free, such as selling a download to Linux.
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2007, 09:19:46 PM »
i agree with josetann on almost everything http://images.thetechguide.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif\' class=\'bbc_emoticon\' alt=\':o\' /> thats exactly like ttg was before!
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« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2007, 11:45:35 PM »
ok, how about this:

Level One Offences:
[Punishment] 1st: Warn//Repeating: Consequences may Incur
  • Completely Off-Topic Posts
  • Posting in the Wrong Section
  • Making a thread directed at a single person (please send a PM)
  • SELLING Legal, Open Source, Programs or Downloads (It's OK to give away for free)
  • Asking to MM on people's threads
  • Posting a "Free MM" thread before having been a member for more than 1 month
  • Advertising in a section other than Idle Chat
  • Racism
  • Flaming
Level Two Offences:
[Punishment] Immediate Ban
  • Scamming
  • Fake Transactions
  • Posting / Giving a Link to Porn
  • Selling, Giving Away, or Posting links to ILLEGAL downloads
  • Impersonating TTG Staff
  • Complete Spam (Same post / thread over and over again)
  • Hacking, or Threatening to Hack, the Site or Another member (Non-Jokingly)
  • Buying or Selling Phishing / Pharming sites
  • Defacing a Site in ANY way that is affiliated with RuneCore or TTG
  • Purposefully Posting / Giving a Link to Malicious Software or Downloads

Let me know if I missed something.
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2007, 12:14:47 AM »
if phishing doesnt get you banned because its away from ttg completely then why does defacing runecore get you banned here?
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2007, 12:25:18 AM »
That was a rule created by Allanon as well if you remember. He made the thread asking for sites to submit their request to make their anti-scammers official, and said that if anyone were to mess with those sites then they would get banned. RuneCore is one of those sites... Josetann didn't seem to have a problem with it, but if he does, I can change it.
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2007, 04:44:06 AM »
i like the new set of rules.
hurrah. but what about fake vouches...? same thing as transactions?
cause that could be confused in  whether a vouch occurs or not and done by accident.
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2007, 10:11:52 AM »
vouches don't really mean anything...i can name about 20 different people that say I vouch them when I don't...i don't think it deserves a ban...

but, you guys can discuss
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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2007, 01:02:35 PM »
idk fake vouches are like fake transactions in a way... i think that vouches should just be gotten rid of all together...

and i do remember allanon making that rule... but it doesnt make sense to say one thing is allowed because it isnt actually on this site.... oh yeah but if you do something to that site (that isnt this one) your banned...
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